Title: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2011, 12:21:28 PM Tourney is Ukipt Edinburgh level 3 blind 75/150
Villain in hand is Skandi but has not done anything out of hand or showndown any weak holdings either, i would think he perceives me as fairly tight as i dont have the best seating position with him 2 to my left and a good agro scotsman 3 to my right who is opening lots of pots so i have sat fairly tight as been card dead for first 2 levels but also were are in the next 2 tables to break so im happy to grind obv in the early stages. My stack is 12500 Villain holds 17000 It folds to me in the Hijack and i open to 400 with Td Jc and Skandi flats the button with both blinds getting out of the way. We flop Ac 2h 8d and i cbet 575 into 1025 which the villain flats again. My thinking at this point is he is defo capable of floating to see what i do ott but also he is allowed an A as well but im defo prepared to barrell the turn. The turn improves my hand when the Qd pops out so i continue as i feel this is the best way of getting to the river cheap enough for my double gutter and lead again for 1150 and the villain flats with little thought. The river brings the 9d there is 4475 in the pot What are your thoughts on hand so far and also best line on river? Does C/C < B/C < B/F? Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: StuartHopkin on August 16, 2011, 12:39:13 PM Bet call for me I think but its close.
Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: cambridgealex on August 16, 2011, 12:48:23 PM Check shove for me. But bet call may be better.
Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: pleno1 on August 16, 2011, 01:05:36 PM bet 1400/call. internet kids love turning a10dx into a bluff here.
Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: BulldozerD on August 16, 2011, 01:17:37 PM bet 1400/call. internet kids love turning a10dx into a bluff here. This for me except might make it slightly bigger, maybe 1800 Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: Coggy on August 16, 2011, 01:35:25 PM Why we betting less on the river against what we've bet other streets ? we've pretty much half pot flop and turn so same again for me. 2100.
Also, why would we B/C or B/F ? what are we now scared of ? Why would we not raise to get it in here ? No Diamond draws from flop have got there surely unless he's got A2dd or floated with KJdd which seems highly unlikely Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: SuuPRlim on August 16, 2011, 02:02:46 PM yh agree with bet call. you should NEVER have a hand this good in this spot
Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: pleno1 on August 16, 2011, 02:41:51 PM i like 1600 with 3 500 chips and 4 25 chips
Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: redarmi on August 16, 2011, 02:51:56 PM Check shove for me. But bet call may be better. Doesn't check shoving make it pretty much impossible for anyone with worse to call? I bet to like 1900-2000 and call it off. You are massively underrepped at this point and a smaller bet may induce someone to try and get you off your one and two pair type hands. Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: pleno1 on August 16, 2011, 02:54:48 PM btw love how poker progresses, in 3 months it will be best to bet 3700 here to induce. <3333
Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: baltic_blonde on August 16, 2011, 04:46:17 PM I would bet half the pot on the river and call it off if reraised. Sounds like he has a set maybe...88?
Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: pleno1 on August 16, 2011, 04:48:05 PM I would bet half the pot on the river and call it off if reraised. Sounds like he has a set maybe...88? Raises turn with set. he iether has axdd or air when he raises river. Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: baltic_blonde on August 16, 2011, 05:00:15 PM I would bet half the pot on the river and call it off if reraised. Sounds like he has a set maybe...88? Raises turn with set. he iether has axdd or air when he raises river. Possibly, but not necessarily...what's the outcome of this hand? Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2011, 05:35:34 PM I would bet half the pot on the river and call it off if reraised. Sounds like he has a set maybe...88? Raises turn with set. he iether has axdd or air when he raises river. Possibly, but not necessarily...what's the outcome of this hand? Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: iRaise on August 16, 2011, 10:49:51 PM Say we bet something bigger like 3500 and get moved in on whats the thinking then?
Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: Eso Kral on August 16, 2011, 10:57:25 PM Say we bet something bigger like 2500 and get moved in on whats the thinking then? Hi MateEveryone so far is happy to call it off i think? Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: iRaise on August 16, 2011, 10:59:31 PM Say we bet something bigger like 2500 and get moved in on whats the thinking then? Hi MateEveryone so far is happy to call it off i think? Hi mate, thought id contribute after our chat at UKIPT, and i edited it to 3500 if that makes any difference. i meant more pot, i had a simialr situation where i bet callde but he flips over a set but he didnt have to much left, i guess if it was a higher % of my stack i woulda tanked a bit harder! Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: AlexMartin on August 17, 2011, 07:31:00 AM bah, anything he calls with bets surely (hes not calling ak here correct?). Prolly c/c river as his calling range to a river cr is likely only AXdd and i hate b/c readless in a soft mtt. Yer im going out on a limb that with your image c/c and lets get a tiny bit out value from his floats that improved turn equity which he'll now sometimes bluff. Guess if he's sharp he'll realise his AJ has no sd value and might bluff that too.
Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: pleno1 on August 17, 2011, 09:30:34 AM he is far more liekly to bluff aj if we bet than if we check imho.
Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: Eso Kral on August 17, 2011, 10:54:17 AM I took Alex's line and went for the C/C which seems to be the less favoured option in this thread, but is one that on this occasion kept my tourney alive for a short while longer as the villain bet 3800 (85% pot) and i called it off to be shown Ad Jd.
As im working with Pleno atm i asked him what he thought of the villain's line and he said he thought he played it perfectly and would take the same line in the villains shoes. Thx for thoughts Title: Re: Line Check and River Decision Please Post by: pleno1 on August 17, 2011, 11:23:57 AM yeah i mean, pre is fine, you opened cut off, you should be opening semi wide (you are opening j10..)
flop i hate raising, and folding is out of the question turn you bet relatively small, sometimes i would fold here if i didnt have the flush draw, but i think its fine to call especially now with NUT flush draw., rive, obv betting too, when u bet the turn i actually give you a storngish range because i dont expect u to barrell the 8 too foten as its quite a blank so i think ur going into c/c mode. |