Title: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: roscopiko on August 24, 2011, 02:51:20 PM ITM about 50th with 100 runners left from 2400 starters
joeribogget is playing 34/15 over about 80 hands wsu15 is 18/15 with a 3 bet of 7 over about 80 hands Thoughts? PokerStars Game #66448011953: Tournament #430040645, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (1000/2000) - 2011/08/23 23:03:32 WET [2011/08/23 18:03:32 ET] Table '430040645 64' 9-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: wsu15 (81818 in chips) Seat 2: KRMS2 (65702 in chips) Seat 3: Ant15071982 (36988 in chips) Seat 4: EMBurns (56749 in chips) Seat 5: roscopiko (59621 in chips) Seat 6: joeribogget (223579 in chips) Seat 7: Ulli-Xt660X (7363 in chips) Seat 8: Nero Ceasar (24398 in chips) Seat 9: UrbanNinJaaa (23510 in chips) is sitting out wsu15: posts the ante 250 KRMS2: posts the ante 250 Ant15071982: posts the ante 250 EMBurns: posts the ante 250 roscopiko: posts the ante 250 joeribogget: posts the ante 250 Ulli-Xt660X: posts the ante 250 Nero Ceasar: posts the ante 250 UrbanNinJaaa: posts the ante 250 Ant15071982: posts small blind 1000 EMBurns: posts big blind 2000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to roscopiko [Qc Aspades] roscopiko: raises 2240 to 4240 joeribogget: calls 4240 Ulli-Xt660X: folds Nero Ceasar: folds UrbanNinJaaa: folds wsu15: raises 11759 to 15999 Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: Nico29 on August 24, 2011, 03:40:47 PM The peel sets up the sqze imo.
Thus i'm not folding. In we go, expect to be ahead a ton, flipping a great deal and crushed sometimes. $3 Game, i'd be interested to know his sharkscope stats, he's prob bad, i assume most of yr opponents will be at this level. Lol if he ever 3bets folds here! Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: SuuPRlim on August 24, 2011, 04:15:20 PM Lol if he ever 3bets folds here! If he's never 3bet folding then we need to pass no? If he is 3bet folding then it's a pretty easy jam? Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: Nico29 on August 24, 2011, 04:20:42 PM Lol if he ever 3bets folds here! If he's never 3bet folding then we need to pass no? If he is 3bet folding then it's a pretty easy jam? I just don't like 3b folding into 30bbs, equity disaster. And yeah i think he will often 3b fold because ppl are lol bad at such levels. And so it is a pretty easy jam due to this reason and above points about his range being wide due to peel. Even if he never folds to jam i actually think we are ahead of his range, so wldnt pass if knew this either. Might click to mess with him anyway. Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: Spraggs on August 24, 2011, 04:28:56 PM Jam.
especially if opponent is Russian/Romanian/Brazilian or any other nationality that insta-tilts you as soon as you hover the cursor over their avatar. Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: millidonk on August 24, 2011, 04:32:42 PM Jam. especially if opponent is Russian/Romanian/Brazilian or any other nationality that insta-tilts you as soon as you hover the cursor over their avatar. Any nationality you are folding to? Belgian? Swiss? Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: Spraggs on August 24, 2011, 04:39:53 PM nope just snap shoving any1 who i think thinks kappa shellsuits r "cool"
Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: doubleup on August 24, 2011, 04:46:58 PM I'd fold unless I'd given villain some reason to think that I was a loon. Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: Pinchop73 on August 24, 2011, 04:57:53 PM This, for me, is a shove, factoring in fold equity with the amount of stars ssmtt'ers who 3b/f off 40bigs, we need to chip up to give ourselves the best chance of cashing heavily.
Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: The Squid on August 24, 2011, 05:52:11 PM I would fold. At higher stakes maybe you have to go with it. This sizing from the bb and given your opening position, seems unlikely the man has AJ.
Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: George2Loose on August 24, 2011, 06:06:13 PM With the squid. It's a fold for me unless I have a disgusting image or I have reason to believe villian is squeezing light.
Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: SuuPRlim on August 24, 2011, 06:42:12 PM Lol if he ever 3bets folds here! If he's never 3bet folding then we need to pass no? If he is 3bet folding then it's a pretty easy jam? I just don't like 3b folding into 30bbs, equity disaster. And yeah i think he will often 3b fold because ppl are lol bad at such levels. And so it is a pretty easy jam due to this reason and above points about his range being wide due to peel. Even if he never folds to jam i actually think we are ahead of his range, so wldnt pass if knew this either. Might click to mess with him anyway. This really doesn't make any sense. it would be LOLbad to 3bet fold, but it's also a spot where his 3bet's are wider because of the limper which is why we're now jamming, and we expect a lolbad player to realise this and a good player to realise we realise this and 3bet call KQ and AJ? dont get it Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: Doobs on August 24, 2011, 07:01:07 PM With the squid. It's a fold for me unless I have a disgusting image or I have reason to believe villian is squeezing light. pretty much this. Better to assume that people aren't doing much range merging in MTTs as a whole, never mind $3 ones. If he has done this a couple of times before, or has a swedish then I may think for a while before folding. Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: BulldozerD on August 24, 2011, 08:36:22 PM Muck em unless he's a loon
Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: Nico29 on August 25, 2011, 01:54:48 AM Lol if he ever 3bets folds here! If he's never 3bet folding then we need to pass no? If he is 3bet folding then it's a pretty easy jam? I just don't like 3b folding into 30bbs, equity disaster. And yeah i think he will often 3b fold because ppl are lol bad at such levels. And so it is a pretty easy jam due to this reason and above points about his range being wide due to peel. Even if he never folds to jam i actually think we are ahead of his range, so wldnt pass if knew this either. Might click to mess with him anyway. This really doesn't make any sense. it would be LOLbad to 3bet fold, but it's also a spot where his 3bet's are wider because of the limper which is why we're now jamming, and we expect a lolbad player to realise this and a good player to realise we realise this and 3bet call KQ and AJ? dont get it Look im just saying i believe to 3b fold in2 30bbs effective is an equity spew that we can possibly exploit here. If he 3b folds pocket pairs do we not benefit? Similar with many live holding's we're almost flipping with like 67std, kjstd 910std etc.. I 3b for value as i believe we are ahead of his range as the peel makes it a great squeeze spot both for donks and sharks imo. Rest of what u r saying im saying is levelling wars that aint going on in a 3 dollar comp. All i was saying is that he will 3b fold some hands we are flipping with and i disagree they won't 3b stack off with dominated holdings either. Just get it in and enjoy either a spew 3b fold or 3b stack off with worse...rather often imo Irl all the ppl saying they rse fold aq here just don't, less of crse they live on planet nit. You seem to think that if they 3bet fold ever it's a profitable jam-agree. You also state that if they never 3b fold we should fold-no. Again, again, again- i believe not only do we have fold equity, but we are ahead of their range even if they never 3b fold. So i jam/clicky type 16x it,for value when called and for exploitation reasons when they 3b fold. Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: skolsuper on August 25, 2011, 02:49:30 AM Only read title and thought "fold". Hand history has done little to change this opinion.
As an aside, over 80 hands the 3b % is not significant enough to be of any use. Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: pleno1 on August 25, 2011, 08:03:07 AM fold quickly
Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: Nico29 on August 25, 2011, 12:20:52 PM meh keys says fold
also after thinking about this overnight im prob wrong about some of this, cld be a leak still doubt without specific reads im passing in this comp, but see reasons for it being a fold live id prob insta fold v many villains Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: SuuPRlim on August 25, 2011, 12:25:59 PM also after thinking about this overnight im prob wrong about some of this, cld be a leak you just love getting in it - nothing wrong with that :P Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: Nico29 on August 25, 2011, 01:14:08 PM also after thinking about this overnight im prob wrong about some of this, cld be a leak you just love getting in it - nothing wrong with that :P in it or it in? lol yeh i def need 2 learn how 2 fold more Title: Re: AQ UTG 30BB facing 3 bet Post by: SuuPRlim on August 25, 2011, 01:32:56 PM also after thinking about this overnight im prob wrong about some of this, cld be a leak you just love getting in it - nothing wrong with that :P in it or it in? lol yeh i def need 2 learn how 2 fold more both! |