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Title: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: Skippy on August 25, 2011, 11:30:41 AM
Playing in Goliath yesterday.

I've got JTo on the button. Folded to a nit who limps in HJ.

He's a nit in that I've seen him make some absurd laydowns. He's not a preflop nit. He's steaming a bit though because he's made a lot of second best hands (I think he thinks he's made even more second best hands than he actually has due to laying down some big hands wrongly). He's got 30bb. I can't remember what the blinds are, but it's around 150/300/25.

I reraise to 1200 to isolate the blinds fold, I am called by the villain and we're heads up to a flop of:

 Qs Jh 6s.

Checked to me, I continue for around 1500. He jams for 5k more (6.5k total)- which was a pot size bet. I call.

Comments?


Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: cambridgealex on August 25, 2011, 11:37:38 AM
Don't mind pre, check bk flop with these stack sizes.


Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: EvilPie on August 25, 2011, 11:40:23 AM
How much have you got?

Raise less pre and check back flop.

Always wanting to keep this pot small if possible.


Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: cambridgealex on August 25, 2011, 11:44:44 AM
Yeh 950-1050 is plenty


Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: pleno1 on August 25, 2011, 11:47:52 AM
i actually make it really small here in general. like 875


Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: EvilPie on August 25, 2011, 11:54:01 AM
I make it even smaller, like 850.


Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: cambridgealex on August 25, 2011, 11:57:36 AM
I make it even smaller, like 850.

Too small IMO


Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: EvilPie on August 25, 2011, 12:00:13 PM
I make it even smaller, like 850.

Too small IMO

My actual raise size (if I were to raise) would be 1050.



Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: Skippy on August 25, 2011, 12:00:45 PM
How much have you got?

20k, probably. Starting stack in this thing is 25k, remember. The blinds behind me have 20k-30k. This guy is a real short stack at this stage.

I don't want to raise smaller, I'm trying not to pick up tourists out of the blinds (although that actually isn't a problem on this table, as the blinds are the tightest players pre-flop I think I've ever played with).


Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: George2Loose on August 25, 2011, 12:12:03 PM
I make it even smaller, like 850.

Not small enough. I make it 0


Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: SuuPRlim on August 25, 2011, 12:29:21 PM
pre far too big. chk back flop or bet call both have pro's and cons, chking back is a touch passive and bet calling is a bit spewy

I reckon I'd chk back


Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: Pinchop73 on August 25, 2011, 12:36:57 PM
(although that actually isn't a problem on this table, as the blinds are the tightest players pre-flop I think I've ever played with).

With this in mind and considering the limpers stack size, I limp along to see a flop ip.


Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: Simon Galloway on August 25, 2011, 12:37:38 PM

I reraise


I'd also check back flop.


Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: Nico29 on August 25, 2011, 01:09:15 PM
Dont think pre sizing is terrible tho wld prob prefer nearer 1050.

On flop i prefer checking bk for pc even tho the board is wet.

Once you bet it's a pretty horrible spot, obv we beat the draws in his range and for that reason and for the fact that he's steaming i call.

Also when u show yr holding win or lose you'll gain an image that cld be useful and doubt you'll be bluffed much.

Obv yr stack size is helpful here, once you've bet the flop i think yr committed 2 his jam, otherwise why bet and turn this good showdown hand in2 a bluff?



Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: Nico29 on August 25, 2011, 01:10:16 PM
(although that actually isn't a problem on this table, as the blinds are the tightest players pre-flop I think I've ever played with).

With this in mind and considering the limpers stack size, I limp along to see a flop ip.

Hate overlimping here, be the aggressor not one of the flock.

Pump or fold imo.


Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: Skippy on August 25, 2011, 01:28:54 PM
Also when u show yr holding win or lose you'll gain an image that cld be useful and doubt you'll be bluffed much.

Sadly this is the last hand before the break and everyone else has gone to the bar  ;djinn;


Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: Nico29 on August 25, 2011, 01:54:25 PM
Also when u show yr holding win or lose you'll gain an image that cld be useful and doubt you'll be bluffed much.

Sadly this is the last hand before the break and everyone else has gone to the bar  ;djinn;

Meh shame that.

Tho another reason to isolate donk limps here when most ppl aren't concentrating properly.

Obv brings the dynamic that shortie may decide to spazz and gamble b4 the break.

Presuming u called here and he held something sick like  Ts Ks. Or did you have the 10 of spades here?

Additional blocker wld be nice, do u hold even the Js maybe?



Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: Spraggs on August 25, 2011, 02:14:10 PM
1200 pre + 6500 all in on flop = 7700, which is just over 25bbs (not 30)

If he had 30+bb's i would iso, with 25bb sffective, its too shallow. If i was, as said i'd make it smaller (950)

As played, you have to have a plan. You can't just throw out a c-bet coz you raised pre, you have to think what he could have, what he has left behind, what you will do if he chk jams etc..

As played i check back flop, looking to call at least one bet if he leads turn, and re-evalutaing.


Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: Nico29 on August 25, 2011, 02:29:22 PM
1200 pre + 6500 all in on flop = 7700, which is just over 25bbs (not 30)

If he had 30+bb's i would iso, with 25bb sffective, its too shallow. If i was, as said i'd make it smaller (950)

As played, you have to have a plan. You can't just throw out a c-bet coz you raised pre, you have to think what he could have, what he has left behind, what you will do if he chk jams etc..

As played i check back flop, looking to call at least one bet if he leads turn, and re-evalutaing.

Good points.


Title: Re: 30bb JTo in Goliath.
Post by: muckthenuts on August 25, 2011, 09:49:29 PM
I make it even smaller, like 850.

Not small enough. I make it 0

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