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Title: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: SirPerceval on August 29, 2011, 10:17:50 AM
Day 2 of GUKPT Goliath.

£120 buy-in, 1765 runners. 270ish remain.
(289 made it to Day 2, 261 get paid, min cash is £140, all those that made Day 2 and don't cash get free entry next year, worth £120, £32k up top)

Blinds are 3000/6000/600 (40 min clock)

At start of hand I have c80k, villian has c100k

First level of the Day after redraw, limited info. I have so far concluded villian is fairly experienced and LAG.

It's folded round to me in Hijack I have AA. I raise to 15k. SB calls, rest fold.

SB has been very active so far (2 orbits). I have raised once in the first orbit to 15k and got it through.

Flop  Ks  8s  4s

SB insta shoves all in.

My first thought is "do I have the  Aspades" and I have to check. fml it's  Ac Ahrt.
Next thought is "oh well, if I bust out I can get to DTD and play the APAT ME" (I don't like this and am bothered that it may have effected my decision)
Next thought is "he has previuosly checked his cards after flops and hasn't this time" so I say "have you got 1 spade or 2?" he laughs and says "hang on I'll check"

Questions

Call or fold?

What could he have?

Is this an easy call / fold and I am over thinking?





Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: cambridgealex on August 29, 2011, 10:25:19 AM
It's a very easy call I'm afraid sir.

The most likely hands he has here are pair+fd hands, maybe bare Aspades x, Kx no spade that he is "protecting" etc.

Yeh sometimes he has a set here but the combos of other hands he could have massively outnumber the combos of 88 and 44. 2pair is unlikely calling a raise from the sb. If he flopped a flush seems unlikely he'd play it like this. snap his arm off and hold!


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: Nico29 on August 29, 2011, 10:51:14 AM
call quickly


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: the rage on August 29, 2011, 11:46:35 AM
I would say that you should completely rule out raise / folding with that stack size, regardless of whatever flop comes down. It's a CALL for me.


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: AlexMartin on August 29, 2011, 12:03:19 PM
jam pre.


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: Rupert on August 29, 2011, 12:15:55 PM
jam pre.

not this


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: the sicilian on August 29, 2011, 01:20:09 PM
It's a very easy call I'm afraid sir.

The most likely hands he has here are pair+fd hands, maybe bare Aspades x, Kx no spade that he is "protecting" etc.

Yeh sometimes he has a set here but the combos of other hands he could have massively outnumber the combos of 88 and 44. 2pair is unlikely calling a raise from the sb. If he flopped a flush seems unlikely he'd play it like this. snap his arm off and hold!
This.....  Flopped flush would check jam you as you are almost gted to follow through and with these stacks u would be committed . Bare A spades or something like KQ with Q spades.  With these stacks never folding... With 100bb different story....


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: GreekStein on August 29, 2011, 02:17:40 PM
Yeh open pre > jam.

Now snap and fade vs kxjs


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: SuuPRlim on August 29, 2011, 03:07:50 PM
cawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwl


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: SirPerceval on August 29, 2011, 08:09:59 PM
Thanks for the feedback folks. I did call and thought it was the right move at the time but on reflection I was doubting myself.

Don't like busting out with just a pair, particularly when its a call not a shove.


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: cambridgealex on August 29, 2011, 08:20:23 PM
Don't think like that


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: buzzharvey22 on August 29, 2011, 08:25:08 PM
Thanks for the feedback folks. I did call and thought it was the right move at the time but on reflection I was doubting myself.

Don't like busting out with just a pair, particularly when its a call not a shove.

1 pair is basically the nuts with 13bb, never mind when its the biggest pair possible!


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: SirPerceval on August 29, 2011, 08:26:33 PM
Don't think like that

I'm never results focussed and have been this time for some reason. I was also worried the thought of going off to play another tourney influenced my decision.


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: cambridgealex on August 29, 2011, 08:30:08 PM
No I meant don't think "I don't like busting with one pair". The correct play is the correct play whether its with a flush or ace high.


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: SuuPRlim on August 29, 2011, 08:36:44 PM
I think what alex meant was don't think "I hate busting out of a tournament with 1 pair"

The value of the hand is irrelevant in this long run of situations, there will be spots where we have to fold full houses and other spots where top pair top kicker is nearly the nuts.

People say stuff like "A lot of people will bust today with top pair top kicker, don't let it be you" - this is complete nonsense. We need to play each spot to it;s merit and not refusing to make the right play because we'll have "gone broke with just one pair" if we lose.

:)


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: SuuPRlim on August 29, 2011, 08:37:02 PM
No I meant don't think "I don't like busting with one pair". The correct play is the correct play whether its with a flush or ace high.

haha or just this lol


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: GreekStein on August 29, 2011, 08:46:41 PM
What did villain have?


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: SirPerceval on August 29, 2011, 08:47:45 PM
OK, I get what you mean and don't normally worry about the result of the bust out hand whether it be 1 pair or set over set or whatever. It afterwards that I starting doubting.

Overall I should be pleased with my play. I folded QQ face up pre and the villian showed KK. I extracted maximum after hitting a full house with 85 in the BB. I was all-in and at risk only once in the whole of day 1. Maybe I'm just annoyed at getting AA cracked after 17 levels.

For the record he had K8o no spades.


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: SuuPRlim on August 29, 2011, 08:54:06 PM
the river was a four and we won?


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: the sicilian on August 29, 2011, 08:59:18 PM
OK, I get what you mean and don't normally worry about the result of the bust out hand whether it be 1 pair or set over set or whatever. It afterwards that I starting doubting.

Overall I should be pleased with my play. I folded QQ face up pre and the villian showed KK. I extracted maximum after hitting a full house with 85 in the BB. I was all-in and at risk only once in the whole of day 1. Maybe I'm just annoyed at getting AA cracked after 17 levels.

For the record he had K8o no spades.

ha ha wp sb peeling op for 15% of stack with K 8 os. .. very + ev..obv knew what flop was coming


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: SirPerceval on August 29, 2011, 09:01:59 PM
the river was a four and we won?

unfortunatly not


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: SirPerceval on August 29, 2011, 09:03:11 PM
OK, I get what you mean and don't normally worry about the result of the bust out hand whether it be 1 pair or set over set or whatever. It afterwards that I starting doubting.

Overall I should be pleased with my play. I folded QQ face up pre and the villian showed KK. I extracted maximum after hitting a full house with 85 in the BB. I was all-in and at risk only once in the whole of day 1. Maybe I'm just annoyed at getting AA cracked after 17 levels.

For the record he had K8o no spades.

ha ha wp sb peeling op for 15% of stack with K 8 os. .. very + ev..obv knew what flop was coming

Exactly what I thought which probably made me more mad when in actual fact it should have made me feel better.................. I think.


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: Rupert on August 29, 2011, 09:48:19 PM
yesyes relative hand values not absolute


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: pleno1 on August 29, 2011, 09:58:34 PM
jam pre


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: NoflopsHomer on August 29, 2011, 10:49:24 PM
jam pre

Never in a £120 buy-in comp. People won't realise how uberstrong we are.


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: cambridgealex on August 30, 2011, 02:19:47 AM
I think what alex meant was don't think "I hate busting out of a tournament with 1 pair"

The value of the hand is irrelevant in this long run of situations, there will be spots where we have to fold full houses and other spots where top pair top kicker is nearly the nuts.


was gonna go with the full house example but that would imply that ive ever folded one so had to go one notch down ;)


Title: Re: AA - it's only a pair
Post by: LeKnave on August 30, 2011, 06:28:37 AM
defo not jamming pre in a torny as soft as this.