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haven't posted on here for ages but have been meaning to and just can't get this hand out of my head so would appreciate some opinions tyty

PokerStars Game #66454481162: Tournament #435010762, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (300/600) - 2011/08/24 1:44:31 WET [2011/08/23 20:44:31 ET]
Table '435010762 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: psjebemvas (14703 in chips)
Seat 2: 1BigAceHole (20710 in chips)
Seat 4: jipvis (14214 in chips)
Seat 5: NigDawG (19833 in chips)
Seat 6: hemann1 (9272 in chips)
Seat 7: jarekk (12280 in chips)
Seat 8: edved0011 (18393 in chips)
Seat 9: p0cket00 (21420 in chips)
psjebemvas: posts the ante 70
1BigAceHole: posts the ante 70
jipvis: posts the ante 70
NigDawG: posts the ante 70
hemann1: posts the ante 70
jarekk: posts the ante 70
edved0011: posts the ante 70
p0cket00: posts the ante 70
hemann1: posts small blind 300
jarekk: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NigDawG [Kd Ac]
edved0011: raises 745 to 1345
p0cket00: calls 1345
psjebemvas: folds
1BigAceHole: folds
jipvis: folds
NigDawG: raises 2430 to 3775
hemann1: folds
jarekk: folds
edved0011: folds
p0cket00: calls 2430
*** FLOP *** [Tc 4d Ah]
p0cket00: checks
NigDawG: bets 2655
p0cket00: raises 3005 to 5660
NigDawG: calls 3005
*** TURN *** [Tc 4d Ah] [6d]
p0cket00: checks
NigDawG: checks
*** RIVER *** [Tc 4d Ah 6d]    Td
p0cket00: bets 10800
NigDawG: ?


this hand is from last 3 tables of the $100 2r1a a couple spots off the money. i've posted the whole hand bcos altho there are several diff action points i dislike threads that drag it all out for ages on each street and tbh it all seems pretty standard.

standard from me anyway. completely not standard from pocket00...

pocket00 is a canadian reg currently ranked 1 on p5s. he knows me and he's probs been on the tables when i've spewed off a bunch of times lol. he will know that i 3bet a lot but i don't recall him ever doing anything about it. i think he is good and much more solid than most regs. def capable of being aggro but not a clown by any means.

interested in what people think his range is preflop, on the flop and then again on the river



edit - for some reason the river wouldn't come out in the post (just says (table) (tr)   if any1 knows why that happened??) , hh hasn't been edited lol

yikes, very tricky indeed.

I was going to type a long reply but TBH am completely stumped. Can't really see him having a worse ace here as it seems a bit spewy pre to flat with AJ/AQ. I only rule out tens because of the river or I would have included them.

Would he not 3 bet JJ/QQ/KK pre? Would he call this with pocket 4 s pre? Surely not?

I can see his 3 bet on the flop as trying to see if you really have the ace. Your call on the flop and then check on the turn when it's checked to you makes you seem like either a weak ace or KK or something like that.

I dunno, seems a bit of a bastard of a decision..I probably call though as I just can't figure out what he could have. Don't know whether I would be ahead or behind but leaning towards a, probably spewy, call.

Bet real small call turn. U only have 33bbs in a 3bet pot with top pair top kicker, not much to think about- other than opening up your range to include at least some bluffs, where as checkin the turn lets him play his hand perfect. Alternatively click back flop for reasons stated above.  If you had 70bbs its an interesting spot.

As for his range, its obv pretty strong when he flats utg+1 and then calls the 3bet- but not sure with stacks this shallow in 3bet pot, that theres much u can do. When he gets to the river i guess he has TT AQs, AK, AA for value and whatever % of air you think, a small number I would guess

I really dont know what he has.

Could be light OTF imo, he knows your smart and you 3bet a ton + he can rep AA/TT, even AK maybe but prolly less so, problem is when you call your hand looks almost exactly like what it is but maybe he doesn;t think you would chk back turn with AK so caps your range at like QQ-KK/AJ mayybbbe but this is all assuming he has cards that are "air" and I'm not sure exactly what they could be, KQs? seems ambitious.

im interested for your thoughts of flatting when he rraise you on the flop... at which point you have now committed about 45% of your stack with little further information . The board looks fairly dry and possibly a good spot to jam him there. It feels his called you slightly wider pre as he may think your possibly squeezing and he was always going to cr you on the flop whatever came as he thought you maybe light... i dont think a set of tens rr this flop..
the check on the turn by him looks weak but i think his backed into the winner on the river.. pre he may have J10 suited K10 suited etc....pos AJ AQ DD

 a tough hand but not sure im keen flatting the flop rr for such a proportion of stack

He ain't flatting JT KT etc utg+1 to utg raise with 35bbs

Nowhere near qualified to comment, but i will say your perceived range is pretty strong and it doesn't seem like he cares.

Feels like his preflop range is TT+, Ive never seen him get so out of line preflop where he would have worse here and when he flats your 3bet I dont think he ever has AK/AQ.  He is def capable of showing up with air in tons of spots but I dont think this is it.

With your history v him, if he c/r AAA on the flop, is it reasonable for him to assume you would continue with JJ-KK?

TT makes the most sense with the flop c/r, turn check river shove line I think

Yeah as Dubai said, Im not sure he calls the 1st raise as light as JT/KT nevermind the 3bet oop, AJ/AQ/AK can be in his range with the 1st bet but I really think he folds AJ to the 3bet, jams AK, folds AQo and maybe jams but probably folds AQs, dont think he flats any of these pre here either.

Reason not to jam over the c/r is that we fold out all of his bluffs and never get called by worse.  By flatting our range can conceivably still include JJ-KK and can induce a bluff.

TBH i didnt think j10 k10 either but throwing out a few possibles as preflop flatting orig raiser and flatting the 3b op seems really odd and was struggling to issue a range and thought he may have already planned the flop action before he called so his range could be wide and he had backed into a winner..... i just thought the jam over the cr was a good option as there was about 7k already in the pot and a nice amount relative to our stack size.. peeling another card with just a pot bet in reserve seems to leave us open to this kind difficult decision....

im going for kqcc

prolly one of the only "AIRS" he can have, maybe turning smaller PP's into bluffs, but only 77-99 and again, this is pretty dam ambitious thinking

Pretty ambitious call pre by him if he does have it, he is gonna be dominated so often but he is flatting to just outplay a good reg oop in a 3bet pot?  Pretty gangsta imo

River is a nice card for him to bluff, with a hand he's hood flatted with.

Isn't your hand here pretty under repped? As Boba said you flat the flop cos you could have JJ-KK so villian may think you show up with those hands more than AK?

If he knows you 3bet a lot, is him flatting with AJ/AQ dd that spewey?

if i was a little deeper then i agree with clicking back flop or betting turn to include some bluffs in my range but surely i'm just too shallow here and its therefore better to rep JJ-KK and try to get him to bluff? i think even this is extremely optimistic tho, especially vs him too.



yeh the bolded is basically the whole point of my question. should i just chalk it up as a cooler or should i actually fold in this spot because his range is so ridiculously narrow that i can fold tptk here? i doubt he can have AQs/AK or TT pre either, i would expect them to just jam pre vs my button squeeze this shallow.

basically this

every1 is silly cause i knew he had AA #notreally

not on your level but kind of dependant on hh with villian.

pre id be asking myself.....

how will villian percieve utg range?? if utg is nittingtons on the nitexpress from nitville would he flat QQ vs him?? utg open and fold to your raise wouldnt mean he had anything massive maybe villian knows something we dont about utg??

were there fish on the table?? someone with a massive 3bet/squeeze that he may get creative with aa/kk? how does villian see your 3bet/squeeze??

later streets....

vs villian do you have any funky fold-c/raise stats?? what are his c/raise stats?? does he usually barrel turn?? would he raise flop with a weaker pair to find out where he is and jam knowing he can get you to fold aj/aq?

Reason not to jam over the c/r is that we fold out all of his bluffs and never get called by worse.  By flatting our range can conceivably still include JJ-KK and can induce a bluff.

does villian know we know this? as a long shot is he enough of a sicko he would jam river to get calls from these hands??