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Carrying on the nice trend of posting alot of PLO hands on here, I thought Id stick this one out there for discussion. Have posted it on my blog but would like to discuss it properly.

APAT PLO freezeout. Blinds 400/800, average around 20k. We're playing 40k. Our table image is aggro and capable. Table pretty tight. We do have David Rudling-Smith (Q8Holds) 2 to our right, who is v good. 9 Handed table.

We are in the CO in this hand. It folds to MP1, who opens to 1600. Fairly tight aggro youngish guy. We look at  Ks Kc Qh 8h and elect to flat. 3 other calls.

Flop  Kh 9h 4h (flop is sketchy, but its Kxx all hearts).

Checks to us. We?

What are your reasons for leading/checking. What is your plan for later streets and why?

This really depends on your knowledge of the table and how you think people will react. Are they all just unable to fold flushes etc? If so I'd bet bet bet.

If they are playing pretty tight I might check one back and try get 2 streets / bluffcatch or pot control vs the nut flush/blocker.

Table is a really mixed bag. From what I remember of the early levels, a guy laid down bottom set to Ian Gascoigne to a C/R. Not really seen many of these style hands, but play was cautious. Obviously now everyone has 30BBs, its gonna be alot harder for them to fold big hands in these spots. There were a few people who had obviously played the game before, and a few others who didnt seem to understand hand strength as much as they could.

Pretty much answered as vaguely as I could :D

Opener's stack?

30k. More interested in flop line tbh, though I was tempted to 3ball

bet bet bet imo dont think it's that close, espcially live where no1 folds ever

chking back one and betting turn river is cool but makes your hand look like exactly what it is. great thing about barrelling off is when the board pairs and you keep betting your hand looks pretty dam bluffy cos you'd be expected to chk back the majority of flushes you've been vbetting.

that was my reaction. i couldnt understand why jamie thought betting was so terrible.

Results orientated. Thought it was close at the time, so opted to bet to disguise

if it was a live cash game id be 3streeting for value pretty confidently. maybe being a donkament we could opt to the side of caution but I still like betting the flop because its the bet thats most likely to be called out of all of them imo

Doesn't really matter what you do tbh.

You either catch the other guy in a cooler, get caught in a cooler yourself or just win with your first bet.

With 2x pot back and almost no chance of getting outdrawn I check the flop to induce lighter calls down the streets.

Edit: wait we don't have 2x pot back, I'd still check though.

I feel so clever now.

I dont personally see the need to induce lighter call downs when no1 ever folds anyways. we dont even need to fold to a c/r and if anyone is shrewd enough to start turning stuff into bluffs they might board pairs/2p's thathave the  Ahrt in them.

I want my river wager to be all in here in a live poker scenario where K9 is going to be a super tough fold and a jack high flush might beat you into the pot.

How dare you disagree with PatAntonius.

K9? I guess I dont agree with you on the kinds of hands people will call 3 streets with here when we bet this flop 5 ways with shallow stacks. It's isn't naps 2/5 it's some APAT donkament full of relatively inexperienced PLO players where everyone nut peddles (sorry for the over generalisation it's not meant to be patronising I just dont want to write an essay on tendancies, feel free to correct me). I mean OP flopped the 2nd nut straight with a PSR of 5 and is asking what to do. If that's indicative of the field then I def prefer to check.

p.s. op plz post the other stacks and relative position, it is quite important.

the only point of reference I have is those stupid GUKPT PLO freezeouts but I recall one hand when I bet 3 on   Ks Ts 4s 9d 8c (or osme such board) and AK45 couldnt have called faster OTR I also remember lucy rokash calling me A9** on a  9h 4h 7d Th 3c ( again rough board recolection) and several other hands such as this, as well as all the times at naps Iv vbet the 2nut straight on a board board with a flush down looking for value off god knows what hand and getting called by worse frequently.

not claiming chking won't induce lighter calls/a few bluffs or that its prolly the best play just disputing the need for it here if my perception of the general tendencies in this tournament are correct, which of course they may very well not be.

Lets say for e.g Rob this is at $25/$50 vs one of the better regs what kind of frequency are you betting/chking with 100bb stacks?

Not sure on stack sizes but we comfortably cover everyone. For arguments sake, let's say 15-25k, as I think that's about right.

Instinct was to bet to get 2/3 streets, but when everyone turbo folded I reconsidered. Definately was a few people in this pot capable of bluffing the bare Ah, also calling 2 pairs.