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Title: Set vs aggro
Post by: zerofive on September 02, 2011, 06:52:36 AM
Regular 50//£1 live game with good regs and bad regs. We're 6 handed for this pot. Villain is super aggro, but has been making some unusually close/loose calls this evening. Effective stacks are £500~

On the button with 8c 8h. Villain is in the straddle. Folded to me, I make it £9, the big blind calls and villain 3bets £35. We call and the bigl blind folds. Flop Jh 7s 5s check check (is this bad? Felt like he was checking to raise. If so, is this an okay spot to 3bet-5bet shove? at the time I didn't like the idea of playing for stacks here). Turn is the 8d. He checks, I bet £62, he calls after some deliberation. The river is the 4s and he pretty quickly bets £175 in high denomination chips. We ??


Title: Re: Set vs aggro
Post by: pleno1 on September 02, 2011, 09:34:12 AM
why did you get the feeling we was "checking to raise" i realldont think ive ever thought, "hes checking to raise here"

we puke and then stare at him for live tell, then remmeber we dont know any live tells so text mitch and hope we get a response before someone calls the clock.


Title: Re: Set vs aggro
Post by: cambridgealex on September 02, 2011, 11:30:21 AM
Hmmm. This depends with what frequencies you imagine villain to not cbet a fd in a 3b pot. If stacks were shallower he's more likely to c/r a fd or bet/get it in. This deep I don't think he's likely to ever c/r this flop to get in 500 without a super strong hand. So your idea of playing for stacks on the flop is not a good one. Bet/fold the flop is fine, as is checking behind. Again, very villain dependant whether I check/bet this flop.

What do you percieve his squeezing range pre to be here? It seems like he's caught a small piece of this flop and he's pot controlling, or hes just given up.

The river is really gross, can't blame you if you paid him off or folded the winner. Very villain dependant.

Raise smaller pre IMO, i usually just 3x the straddle. But if the game is very loose and cally I guess bigger is fine.

I'd call vs Tim here btw if that's who it was. Fold vs Paul G though :P


Title: Re: Set vs aggro
Post by: zerofive on September 02, 2011, 12:55:46 PM
why did you get the feeling we was "checking to raise" i realldont think ive ever thought, "hes checking to raise here"

we puke and then stare at him for live tell, then remmeber we dont know any live tells so text mitch and hope we get a response before someone calls the clock.

I know it sounds like a dead fishy way of not having to confess how much equity I burned, but villains cbet stat is huge, cbet in 3bet pots must be pretty close to 100% and a check from him is very strange. From your experience is it more likely someone like this is giving up here?


Title: Re: Set vs aggro
Post by: Pinchop73 on September 02, 2011, 01:12:33 PM
FML I hate these spots. Always manage to convince myself to call, only to be shown nuts almost everytime. I'm awful at sigh folding.


Title: Re: Set vs aggro
Post by: AlexMartin on September 02, 2011, 04:02:35 PM
Regular 50//£1 live game with good regs and bad regs. We're 6 handed for this pot. Villain is super aggro, but has been making some unusually close/loose calls this evening. Effective stacks are £500~

On the button with 8c 8h. Villain is in the straddle. Folded to me, I make it £9, the big blind calls and villain 3bets £35. We call and the bigl blind folds. Flop Jh 7s 5s check check (is this bad? Felt like he was checking to raise. If so, is this an okay spot to 3bet-5bet shove? at the time I didn't like the idea of playing for stacks here). Turn is the 8d. He checks, I bet £62, he calls after some deliberation. The river is the 4s and he pretty quickly bets £175 in high denomination chips. We ??

dont understand? u mean is this a spot to 3b his checkraise and jam over a 4bet? Definitely not, plus would be a tad tricky unless you both went miniminminminbang, even if you are 500bb deep. Played well, fold the river, we def have enough flushes/56/76 to not worry too much. then again its live and you will only get into this spot perhaps 10 times a year, yeah fold river, wp.



Title: Re: Set vs aggro
Post by: JK on September 02, 2011, 05:48:13 PM
I'd call vs both alex lol


Title: Re: Set vs aggro
Post by: SuuPRlim on September 02, 2011, 09:19:45 PM
check flop.

bet turn

ca...ld the river, you decide pretty sure he isn't bluffing enough and if he is bluffing he must be bluffing with SOMETHING he called the turn with, a pair? TT, As K*? idk this all seems a bit ambitious he prolly just has a flush and if he doesn't and is bluffing then it's kinda mental because as alex says you have a hand that can call this bet quite often


Title: Re: Set vs aggro
Post by: cambridgealex on September 02, 2011, 10:02:56 PM
Villain confirmed mental