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Title: Floping trips vs Greek Jack @ DTD £1/2 Post by: Pinchop73 on September 04, 2011, 04:43:40 AM £1/2 cash game at DTD. Villain in this hand is Greek Jack, nice guy. Has only been sat down like 10mins, I've never played against him previous;y so can't provide any reads.
The hand. Straddle is on. Jack calls (playing £300ish). Two other calls. I'm in the sb (£560ish) and call with 2h 4h. BB completes, straddle checks his option. Flop (£24) 2d 7s 2c I check. Villain bets £12. One call, I call. Turn (£60) 3d I lead £24. Villain calls, other player folds. River (£109) Js I bet £35. Villain raises to £80. Hero? Title: Re: Floping trips vs Greek Jack @ DTD £1/2 Post by: mondatoo on September 04, 2011, 05:56:44 AM I'd fold pre.
As played your line looks ridic strong when you c/c flop donk turn vs two villains so I'd just call river. I'd c/r turn>>>>>donking turn. Title: Re: Floping trips vs Greek Jack @ DTD £1/2 Post by: SuuPRlim on September 04, 2011, 11:23:04 AM I'd fold pre. we all say we would fold pre, but would we actually lol i agree we should fold but i would never actually fold. dont really like any of it post flop, don't have the flop c/c, but the tiny turn donk is wierd and i've no idea why we bet so small OTR, as played have bet £85 and folded to a raise but as played don't see how you can fold Title: Re: Floping trips vs Greek Jack @ DTD £1/2 Post by: cambridgealex on September 04, 2011, 03:07:07 PM Definitely fold river vs Jack. And it's not even close.
Prefer to donk flop or c/raise. But I donk this flop with air a lot too as people can't have anything very often on 722r. But I always get a few callers :P Title: Re: Floping trips vs Greek Jack @ DTD £1/2 Post by: GreekStein on September 04, 2011, 03:45:33 PM Definitely fold river vs Jack. And it's not even close. I think fold but I wouldn't say it's not close. Jack does some weird stuff Title: Re: Floping trips vs Greek Jack @ DTD £1/2 Post by: cambridgealex on September 04, 2011, 04:37:52 PM I'd also
Title: Re: Floping trips vs Greek Jack @ DTD £1/2 Post by: pleno1 on September 04, 2011, 05:41:42 PM call?
Title: Re: Floping trips vs Greek Jack @ DTD £1/2 Post by: _TheWireTap_ on September 04, 2011, 07:15:42 PM I think by leading the turn, if Jack had 77 or a 2 with a high kicker he would go ahead and raise your lead, as your c/c and donk line suggests you are more likely to have a strong holding than a bluff imo and Jack would want to build the pot.
There is also a possibility the river bet sizing may have induced this raise, as it could feel like a blocker. I would go ahead and make the call. Title: Re: Floping trips vs Greek Jack @ DTD £1/2 Post by: Pinchop73 on September 05, 2011, 01:17:32 AM I didn't raise the flop as I didn't want to fold out 7x hands, pocket pairs or over cards he may have. Guess bigger pairs than 7's call so I guess maybe raising the flop would be a better line.
When he calls my turn bet I thought he was defo stronger than just 7x or overcards or underpairs, but I couldn't have him on a highly improbable 2x, neither could I really put him on big overpairs since he limped the straddle. Taking all this into consideration I decided to value bet the river, a small enough amount that worse hands could call given the odds. When he raised, I sigh called. He had 33. Title: Re: Floping trips vs Greek Jack @ DTD £1/2 Post by: SuuPRlim on September 05, 2011, 10:53:44 AM I like you're thinking behind c/c the flop think it's a good line. Let's people flick in with AT's and stuff + hopefully the turn is a Q/K/A then you can get some value, when the turn is a brick I think leading is best because it's prolly gonna chk through a ton and the hands that he would/is likely to bet the turn here with like 88/99/7* are defo gonna call a bet as will 55/66/45/and diamond-diamond combo which might have chked, you might even get someone sherif'ing you with AJ.
Then obviously go ahead and value bet the river once he calls the turn as his range is full of stuff you beat. I think you played it great up until the river call but the reason you were forced to make a bad river call is because of your sizing on the turn/river - when we've got a hand like this that is basically on the exact line of his raising/calling range - as in he prolly never JUST calls with better and pretty much never raises worse then we wanna be betting bigger because pot control isn't to much of a worry because we're planning to bet/fold and we're 99% sure if he just calls we're gonna win. bet £45 on the turn and £120 on the river then we can comfortably fold if raised at any point. When we bet small he raises small and we're now priced into making a call we don't really wanna make. we're letting his pocket pairs and 7*'s hero us cheaply and letting his boats value raise us better so on average with this line we'll be putting more money into the pot with worse hands more often. Title: Re: Floping trips vs Greek Jack @ DTD £1/2 Post by: cambridgealex on September 05, 2011, 11:34:12 AM I like you're thinking behind c/c the flop think it's a good line. Let's people flick in with AT's and stuff + hopefully the turn is a Q/K/A then you can get some value, when the turn is a brick I think leading is best because it's prolly gonna chk through a ton and the hands that he would/is likely to bet the turn here with like 88/99/7* are defo gonna call a bet as will 55/66/45/and diamond-diamond combo which might have chked, you might even get someone sherif'ing you with AJ. Then obviously go ahead and value bet the river once he calls the turn as his range is full of stuff you beat. I think you played it great up until the river call but the reason you were forced to make a bad river call is because of your sizing on the turn/river - when we've got a hand like this that is basically on the exact line of his raising/calling range - as in he prolly never JUST calls with better and pretty much never raises worse then we wanna be betting bigger because pot control isn't to much of a worry because we're planning to bet/fold and we're 99% sure if he just calls we're gonna win. bet £45 on the turn and £120 on the river then we can comfortably fold if raised at any point. When we bet small he raises small and we're now priced into making a call we don't really wanna make. we're letting his pocket pairs and 7*'s hero us cheaply and letting his boats value raise us better so on average with this line we'll be putting more money into the pot with worse hands more often. Too good. Title: Re: Floping trips vs Greek Jack @ DTD £1/2 Post by: mondatoo on September 05, 2011, 06:33:58 PM I like you're thinking behind c/c the flop think it's a good line. Let's people flick in with AT's and stuff + hopefully the turn is a Q/K/A then you can get some value, when the turn is a brick I think leading is best because it's prolly gonna chk through a ton and the hands that he would/is likely to bet the turn here with like 88/99/7* are defo gonna call a bet as will 55/66/45/and diamond-diamond combo which might have chked, you might even get someone sherif'ing you with AJ. Then obviously go ahead and value bet the river once he calls the turn as his range is full of stuff you beat. I think you played it great up until the river call but the reason you were forced to make a bad river call is because of your sizing on the turn/river - when we've got a hand like this that is basically on the exact line of his raising/calling range - as in he prolly never JUST calls with better and pretty much never raises worse then we wanna be betting bigger because pot control isn't to much of a worry because we're planning to bet/fold and we're 99% sure if he just calls we're gonna win. bet £45 on the turn and £120 on the river then we can comfortably fold if raised at any point. When we bet small he raises small and we're now priced into making a call we don't really wanna make. we're letting his pocket pairs and 7*'s hero us cheaply and letting his boats value raise us better so on average with this line we'll be putting more money into the pot with worse hands more often. So you actually like quite a bit of it post flop then ;) Title: Re: Floping trips vs Greek Jack @ DTD £1/2 Post by: skolsuper on September 05, 2011, 09:26:05 PM I like you're thinking behind c/c the flop think it's a good line. Let's people flick in with AT's and stuff + hopefully the turn is a Q/K/A then you can get some value, when the turn is a brick I think leading is best because it's prolly gonna chk through a ton and the hands that he would/is likely to bet the turn here with like 88/99/7* are defo gonna call a bet as will 55/66/45/and diamond-diamond combo which might have chked, you might even get someone sherif'ing you with AJ. Then obviously go ahead and value bet the river once he calls the turn as his range is full of stuff you beat. I think you played it great up until the river call but the reason you were forced to make a bad river call is because of your sizing on the turn/river - when we've got a hand like this that is basically on the exact line of his raising/calling range - as in he prolly never JUST calls with better and pretty much never raises worse then we wanna be betting bigger because pot control isn't to much of a worry because we're planning to bet/fold and we're 99% sure if he just calls we're gonna win. bet £45 on the turn and £120 on the river then we can comfortably fold if raised at any point. When we bet small he raises small and we're now priced into making a call we don't really wanna make. we're letting his pocket pairs and 7*'s hero us cheaply and letting his boats value raise us better so on average with this line we'll be putting more money into the pot with worse hands more often. Too good. +1 Title: Re: Floping trips vs Greek Jack @ DTD £1/2 Post by: AlexMartin on September 06, 2011, 10:04:42 PM id cr the flop because ppl like to hero me so much and think you look fos too often. overflatting looks stronger. As played i think your hand is fairly faceup, but dont expect greekjack to raise worse for v or bluff your exceptionally strong line, fold the river.
quite like the line with a certain (unknown) image too. |