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Villain been at the table 33 hands and is from Cyprus. Stats for them hands are: 42/33, early read loose/weak.


PokerStars Game #67204048859: Tournament #2011090014, $200+$50+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2011/09/08 16:51:13 WET [2011/09/08 11:51:13 ET]
Table '2011090014 19' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: nobbit (3910 in chips)
Seat 2: Bensen1 (9948 in chips)
Seat 3: grinder565 (6935 in chips)
Seat 4: langace66 (4982 in chips)
Seat 5: Spraggs (5370 in chips)
Seat 6: very ea$y (3965 in chips)
langace66: posts small blind 20
Spraggs: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Spraggs [Th Jh]
very ea$y: raises 56 to 96
nobbit: folds
Bensen1: folds
grinder565: folds
langace66: folds
Spraggs: calls 56
*** FLOP *** [7h 8h 2c]
Spraggs: checks
very ea$y: bets 127
Spraggs: ?

Playing it passively or aggro?

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he'll doubtless peel a ton of weak stuff you have sick equity vs

it doesnt matter i dont think - being oop sucks here thou - and for that reason i play it passively and overbet if we get there by the river (esp if we hit the o/s 9)

fwiw - in position I would go as far as to say you should almost always win this pot and for that reason I would raise flop and barrell  turn & river

Raise it up! You've got a ton of equity and the opportunity to make his life difficult on later streets as so much of his range just won't be in love with this flop or many turn cards

I call OOP this early.

Check call flop - miss turn, therefore check call, miss river, therefore bluff and fold when raised.

Hate playing against loose players OOP, however on this board I'm check raising.

I'd call this early.  To the c/r guys, are you happy getting it in if he decides to 3bet you rather than peel/fold?

the problem with playing it passively on the flop is that cards which make our hand on the turn are also potential action breakers, limiting how much we can get in good if we hit, i guess raise and look to make a 4b flop jam if he starts clicking.

My line of thinking was (and it usually is flawed in mtts tbf :(  ) that it doesn't necessarily kill action.  Rightly or wrongly, I always feel that against such players, the ability to lose the minimum or get paid the maximum is a nice edge.  We forfeit that edge when we get the lot in against him.  We might be an equity fav in the hand, so there may be edge getting it in too.  Just against bad players, if an o/s 9 drops in, we might very well still stack him (+$50 bounty KO) if he has an overpair or just won't put down A8 or w/e, but without having to put all our marbles on the line.

with all the problems on c/r, c/c why dont we do a lead?

great post. well thought out. pretty sure we have only played a few hands together tho and the one i seem to remember most is owning you but you winning lol.

blackpool, A6>77? on 6xx? or something like that iirc

and i paid for the massage seeing as though i felt bad.

i'm down with this.


yes considering how active he's been so far. i don't think he'll be the type to only ever show up with a set so if we don't get him to fold we're in decent shape getting it in.

i like c/c.

i think i'd lead against a non-reg, most likely lead/3b the flop.

meh if we lead/ 3bet with these stacks he's more likely to get the 4bet jam in rather than us if we c/r. I mean we gonna be decent equity vs a lot of the hands he gets in, but id still rather be c/r to pull the 4ball out OTF

completely forgot i made this thread.

I was also going to say to the first couple of posters that yes, it looks like an obvious chk/raise flop spot, but you forgot to think about what our opponent may do after that.

As said by others if he 3bets the flop we can only jam, we're not flatting or folding, and this is why i posted the hand. It can seem a bit bad at times to get it in for a Quadrillion BBs with a J hi FD and gutter.

Against this opponent i do believe the best play is to 4bet jam if he 3bets the flop, just because he seemed the kind to do stupid stuff like that.

Against stronger opponents and regs i will mix it up, sometimes look to get it in on flop, sometimes lead/3b sometimes chk/call lead any turn.

For those results orientated he had JJ and held (proving that he was pretty loose/horrible) my equity vs an overpair is huge, and even vs set of 3's taking one of my heart outs away im still only 2to1(ish) so i don't think getting it in on the flop provided you get folds vs the 2bet and occasionally vs the 4bet is ever ever bad.

Oh, also im suprised nobody mentioned the added equity for the knockout. Which makes even more of a case of not doing anything but chk/r/4b the flop.

1/2 point?

haha sorry missed that. defo 1/2 point.

level right?

what seems like a level to u?

general tone fella.

I didn't forget, just dont expect to get 3bet hardly ever on the flop really

I definately just call the flop....

I agree we have good equity in the hand versus 97% of villains holdings and we are usually never that far behind when getting it all in in this situation.

That being said, there is about 320 chips in the middle after his bet on the flop and we are playing close to 4000 effective @ 20/40 blinds... If you love coinflips you can get it in but you are sacrificing any kind of edge you may have in doing so. Bad players may also spazztard out with Ahrt Kh/ Qh which we don't do quite as well against (30/70).