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Sky Poker event at DTD

Blinds 200/400/50

Villain is Paul Jackson with 12100

I have 15300 at the start of the hand and am SB with Paul in the BB

It folds to the button who has been active in late pos when folded to but has a tell with his premium holdings and has not displayed it this time, i have not played back at him so far due to really weak holdings and the early levels there was no need for fancy play.
Button raises to 975 from a stack of 6000 and i 3bet to 2450 with  Th Ts and the intention of calling his shove.

Paul will view me as solid but also a thinking player as we had discussed other players lines and some poker stuff in general for a few hours now and he 4bets to 5100

WWYD and why?

what did Paul do?

Well it's not much of a thread if he folded :)

I think I probably fold even though it feels weak.

jammed i reckon??

was in pretty much the exact same spot the other week i made a dwell/sigh fold.

Button had A10, Called, bb had AK. i would have held [ ]

Having placed my chips in the pot, Id then sit still and wait for the remaining players in the pot to act. Once the action was back round to me, then what I did next would depend on what happened.

If the button were to shove I'd definitely call..if Paul comes over the top I probably sigh fold...can't imagine tens are good then.

modified sry

TY Nit roller

and id fold

what does button do?

folds

nice way to do 1/6 of ya stack.

Against a lot of people i will happily call a jam, probs rather call a jam. Even though it is from a very competent player a cold 4 bet here for almost 50% of his stack has to be strong. Normally you would be crushed and at best flipping vs AK/AQ. Think i find a fold most of the time.

Paul will have the same tell on the button as you do, and knows he is week. Paul will also know that you know this and could raise with air, however Paul also knows that you know that Paul knows. So Paul will know that you dont have air, and therefore he must be strong so I fold ;whistle;

Fold, it would be diff if you had 3bet the button playing 30bb but you have to call the button's shove so your range is a lot tighter

this.

(apart from i have spelt weak correctly)  ;)

 ;D

fold here vs Paul

he prolly has a good idea the btn is weak, and is prolly pretty aware you know this and will 3bet wider - but he can't 4bet without a hand here, maybe slightly wider than stnd but never light and never AJ or 88 imo

Easiest fold ever

Obv i folded as i knew this was the correct play but got Paul to show me his cards and he flips  9c 9s and despite thinking FML i try not to be results orientated and we had a discussion about the hand which pretty much matched the thoughts on here although he didnt feel i was as strong as i was.

If we are both deeper with say 23-25k in the same spot what line are you taking now??

5 bet shove




since he has nines.

Wp

Seriously though.

I might shove, assuming he 4 bets me and I have some sort of FE.

and then I go home as he always has something better than 10s there.

Don't like Paul's play here. Just unfortunate. Good fold

I think you may have forgotten to factor in that the tourney was a freeroll for Paul and the juicy £5/£5 DC table had just opened.

Easy fold for me too here.

Yeah i'm not so bothered about him flipping and we discussed that its the correct play as the stack sizes are awkward and at very best were racing so just wanted confirmation everyone i would value opinions on does the same thing.

3 bet less to give the impression of some FE. About 1975 should do the trick.

After Paul's 4 bet I'd need to be sat at the table to make a decision.

A ten and another ten is quite a good hand that I normally quite like and don't like to lay down for 30 bigs.

Wish i hadn't seen results. I don't know much about Paul's game but given the described dynamic i would expect good players to slightly widen here in the BB, and getting TT in wouldn't be a huge mistake by any means.

The key here is the shorty. It looks like he may be stacking off so Paul is unlikely to have air in his range in this spot. We just happened to be up against the bottom of his range here imo

fold

you've 3bet a 15bb stack (=very very strong range)

he has cold 4 bet for almost half his stack (=very very very very strong range)
 

also shoving might be better than 3b in the first place, villain dependent

^^^ Thx for feedback, i think last 2 posts summed up my thought process and if i hadnt discussed and seen Pauls hand i would never have posted this up.

Very much this.  Probably one of the few hands in Paul's range that you're actually beating along with AK, so you have to fold.

Out of curiosity what does everybody do here in Paul's spot?

Anybody 4 betting worse than 99 here? Anybody having a go with AQ maybe?

Also if you're the button what do you now need to get it in following the 4 bet?

Probably fold..then again, I'm a weak fish. Like his move, just don't think I'd have the balls to pull it off.


AK yes, JJ+ ussually for me...but I refer to my above answer to explain why.


When short like that and not knowing what Alex will do QQ+

in paul's spot I would

fold AJo, Jam AQo, AJs is super close prolly fold

fold 88, jam TT, 99 is super close IDK what i'd do, would depend.

quite like the line of 4betting really small over jamming with 99 as it might just look a tad stronger and fold out a couple of things we don't want to get it in vs, AJs etc (prolly wouldn't expect TT to fold but would certainly think it's possible)