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.50/1 cash at local casino
Villain is good - has some good tournament wins and we need to be wary of him. He's not only capable of making some good plays, he's also very capable of extracting value and (and sometimes I think this is more impoirtant) he's capable of making very good laydowns.

Effective stack £115 (me)

I've straddled to £2, it's raised from lateish to £10, Villain calls and I close the action calling with Js  Ts  (please don't spend too much time telling me I should fold pre - I probably do fold at least 7 times out of 10 here, but I had been very card dead and this was one of the best looking hands I'd had in over an hour)

Flop is  Qd 9d 3s

I check, original raiser bets £16, Villain makes it £50

Read - made hand or maybe Nut Flush Draw. Most likely is a set of 9s or 3s
Original raiser shows every sign of folding. 100% positive this will happen.

I have £105 ...

Shove > Fold
or
Fold > Shove  ?

Never folding pre, defo folding now.

Don't read too much into Villain's ability, this board with someone to close the action he isn't gonna be at it too much. He is never folding to a jam from you either, so unless you run like Usain Bolt you have to Fold imo.

Also if your read is correct of nfd or most likely a set it makes it an even easier fold.

I would like to plus one this statement from a pro.

why?

because I'm an old nit

old nits don't straddle

Maybe I call more often than I said then ... although probably not when I'm oop to this villain

you should NEVER, EVER fold preflop ever.

Im mystified as to why you think you should ever fold

I dnt believe he ever would, it just all the other HHs he posts, we all tell him to fold pre!

NEVER EVER? or just NEVER EVER with these two specific cards in this specific position?

Would you call here with any suited connectors?

Why would I fold in this spot? Because I'm oop and there seems to me to be a fair chance that I'll flop some sort of draw, which has potential to be a draw to the second best hand.

And because I still fail to grasp many of the principles involved.
Until I am forced to think about them. I just tried assigning a range to the raiser of any two broadway cards and a range for the caller of any K10+ but not AQ AK (he raises these) and any pair up to 10 10 (he raises JJ+) and it seems I'm 37% to win the hand?

Ranges sound right? Or am I just too old and too dim to get this and best advised sticking to blind luck?

 ;marks;

these cards in this spot.
NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER (insert several more evers) fold lol



I didn't read what ranges you gave him because it doesn't matter lol its £8 into a pot of £23.50 and you can't possibly give him a range where that's not a call.

 5s 6s is different, because there is reversed implied odds issues for sure, but JT has strong enough "high card" value that this isn't much of a worry (i'd still call 56s but wouldn't have used all those evers)

you're for surrrre over thinking this preflop, my thought process here would be

"i have JTs which is a really sick hand" get involved!

Sorry if I came across rude/arrogant btw, nothing about being old and dim at all...

not saying you're NOT old and dim, just saying I didn't mean to imply that in print :P haha

But would you ever fold those cards in this spot?  Please get off the fence.

if someone said to me

"David, Shakira and tulisa (ndubz) are lying naked in your bed and touching each other saying 'where's dave, we need him now' but you need to fold this hand and run home RIGHT NOW"

then I would fold, but I'd be a little tilted that the incred shakira/tulisa thing didn't happen when i had a budget hand.

and man would I run home, would run and run and run and run.

under no other circumstances would I fold

What about just one of them waiting for you?

Does that decrease your folding range?

fyp

folding  Js 9s

oh a nice hand guy :)up

Who's David and why is your dream a four way with Shakira, Tulisa and a guy with the same name as yourself?

why would you ruin the dream hopkin, why?

you didn't

I confessed to being old and dim in a misguided attempt to appear old and dim so that my 4-bet range would seem incredibly tight and so that you wouldn't expect me to triple-range merge if ever I sit at the wrong table at DTD.

I am, essentially, a recreational player and I play because I enjoy playing and appreciate the fact that when I'm at the table my mind is on the game and not on any of the stresses that are the lot of a father of two and grandfather of four with a business to run . But it's a lot more restful and fun when you're winning.

I read this board and, hopefully, I learn.

Had to image search Tulisa and I think in this instance your actions are wrong here.

Obviouslty the fold is correct, then walk to the exit with phone in hand calling a taxi to drive you home.

Running all the way will impair your enjoyment.

ar, yes very good point :) for someone old and dim ;)

so wait, next time I see you at DTD you're prolly gonna triple merge your 4bet range with your perceived tight imagine, so what the hell do I 3bet? or 5bet? or call 4bets with, or fold? and arrrrgh I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT A TRIPLE MERGE RANGE THINGY IS!!

i'll ask james keys, he'll prolly know.

I think it's an old, old wooden ship from colonial times. I could be wrong though.

I'm pretty dubious about a ship made from old, old wood - hopefully it's well treated or it's going be VERY susceptible to rot.

If your Auntie had balls...

starting to get pretty dam tilted

most interesting pha thread yet imo.

basically dont fold Js Ts preflop unless the life of a child you care for is on the line, or yo risk passing up a night of debauchery with a big thighed colombian and a hearty urban girl.

and something about colonial ships. specifically old ones

Definition in pics plz.

 ::)

lol stu, hahaha

really set in stone never fold pre? £10 from a £100 stack? multiway. live so no FE. oop. id think id rather jam than peel pre.

At last someone talking some sense

perfect stack to c/j flops and like the abso nut draw-making hand, literally the worlds easiest/simplest call this imo

I deffo jam pre, when i get it through i reload if i plan on doing some straddling...