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***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (On Game)
$400.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, September 22, 08:59:56 ET 2011
Table Heilbronn (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 3: Hero ( $550.20 USD )
Seat 6: Player6 ( $860.00 USD )
Seat 7: WWW1991 ( $459.70 USD ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 20, 3B: 11, AF: 2.0, Hands: 574
Seat 8: Player8 ( $235.50 USD )
Seat 9: Player9 ( $435.00 USD )
Seat 10: britney_93 ( $501.00 USD ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 20, 3B: 3, AF: 0.8, Hands: 349
WWW1991 posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
Player8 posts big blind [$4.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [  Jc 8c ]
Player9 folds
britney_93 raises [$12.00 USD]
Hero raises [$34.00 USD]
Player6 folds
WWW1991 calls [$32.00 USD]
Player8 folds
britney_93 calls [$22.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, 9s, Qc ] - $106
WWW1991 checks
britney_93 checks
Hero checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ts ] - $106
WWW1991 bets [$70.00 USD]
britney_93 calls [$70.00 USD]
Hero ???

Stacks behind on the turn are $355 and $397 for WWW and britney respectively, we cover.

My question is, can/should we flat here? If we raise and get it in how happy are we about it?

Eurgh spot tbh. Think WWW has 10s based cold calling and checking flop. Probs call and find out cos I'm a fish.

both of them look pretty solid, not spazzy.overly aggro based on what is admittedly a very small sample of hands.

I dont think that WWW would lead the turn that wide, I don't think Brittney would expect him to, and I have no idea what he cold peels from the BB when he seems like he's quite active PF (just form his 3b stat although this is clutching at straws a bit) when I assume you also are.

So I don't really know what we can Vraise vs, what we need to protect vs that isn't a pretty limited set of spade spade combos or what WWW DOESN't 4bet but now leads.

Basically I don;t know. Anxious to hear some people who are cleverer than me's opinions cos this looks like a spot where i'm hating my life ongame doesn't have a timebank.

Oh god this really sucks, don't raise that'd be stupid. I guess call and fold river. Maybe even fold turn.

flop got checked through how can we possibly ever fold here? call >raise > fold, 1000% shoving over a small river bet too.

disagree totally with the > order. I want to fold the turn but am not good enough

lol online cash is so redic retarded

i agree i really wanna fold but doubt I ever would.

QFMFT.

happy birthday

Cody posts in PHA! Valuable insight mate. Gonna +1 it

misread hh slightly but still, [ ] folding.

I'm so happy I don't play poker for a living.

Bit of hard earned wages going down the toilet here for me unfortunately.

Would be playing totally passive but not folding unless the board pairs again or the river brings an evil jack.

Not bothered if it flushes, that'd just be unlucky.

Not bothered about river ruining our action obviously as I'm playing passive.

By the way when I say passive I actually mean pot control. Passive is weak so I'll call it something else to make me sound a bit better.

Does anybody want to hazard a guess at the EV of a shove? The major unknown here is WWWs range to cold call a 3b obv, I only have a very vague idea and think people's opinions could vary wildly so would be very interested to hear some. Spoiler: I shoved, someone tell me how bad it is please, results to come...

I am going to give it a go right now.

**Disclaimer**

I'm prolly not capable of beating 400nl online
I'm currently drinking cider

Ok I generally have no idea what WWW's range preflop that donk's the turn is, literally none, so assuming it's sick stuff only I'm going to go at go 1.

AA-KK:10%, QQ:15%, JJ:10%, TT-88, AQ:25% (:10% equals I assume he plays that hand like this only 10% (1 in 10) of the time)

and a calling range (of your shove of) TT, 99, QQ, AA:10%, KK:10%, AQ:5%

(http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad171/lildavefish/keyshand1.png)

(bets = bb's and i've rounded the decimal points up as the software cannot handle it) - just realised I have 88 in his turn bet range which is wrong, but prolly doesn't make any difference.

(also - adding KQ:25% to the betting range but not inc in the call range = oppo net bets = 7.13, Shover Net = 54.86 and call frequency at 44/89%)

taking nothing but boats out of his call range

(http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad171/lildavefish/keyshand2.png)

really tight betting and calling range

(http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad171/lildavefish/keyshand3.png)

I guess on the assumption that Brittney never calls the shove is ALWAYS gonna be min break even cos those 12bets overlays the small cominations of boats WWW actually has...

Next step would be assigning britney a range to call - peel/fold the turn amd thats gonna take some timmmmme I'm heading out now but if someone wants to post reasonable ranges for the  both then I will put the numbers through for all three on the turn but I don't think I know enough to do that right now.

This is also interesting.

(http://i933.photobucket.com/albums/ad171/lildavefish/keyshand4.png)

really fucking confusing