blonde poker forum

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/william-hill-house-bot-mtt-confirmed-1108249/

Heard a lot of stories about bots crushing the NL400 games and above, this just makes iPoker's joke security look even worse.

i heard from a v well know/respected/credible source who plays 2/4-10/20 on ipoker that there are a lot of bots playing a very specific style. they have beaten even 5/10 using this weird strat but slowly more regs were noticing the tendencies. (the bots were not shortstackers)

im almost certain there are shortstacking bots at low-mid stakes plo on there also and a few others have also mentioned the same suspicion.  

 
Can't believe they have admitted to having a bot of their own though. I say good- hopefully it will cause Ipoker to clean up their act after the inevitable 2+2 witchhunt.

To be fair, I don't believe they have, as such.

This has been well known for ages?

DYER88!!!!

For months I been sayin to everyone that player feels like a bot. Lil Dave will confirm.

its been pretty common knowledge the midstakes NL games are full of them (Stu + Alex Martin best people to ask)

Dyer88 I agree, never seen him tank on a desicion in my life - theres a few others i think at 100-400plo as well

Are these bots easily exploitable because they often have the same line to the same spot or is it really tricky to get the up on them?

looking at 2+2 thread, they appear to have v good roi's. Look very suspect i.e. superusers, as most bots are break even rake back machines.

The bots use to be break even, now they are winning and getting smarter. There are even bot forums where people discuss tactics for making a good poker bot.

Truthfully, this could end up destroying online poker for everyone - and I don't think that I'm being overly dramatic in saying that.

Bots quickly killed online backgammon for any serious money.

From their terms and conditions -

10.1.1.4  in games offered via the Website which benefit from more players or greater liquidity we may deploy electronic players (known as robots, and whose usernames will be "bot") who are pre-programmed to play and join in with the game in order to assist the liquidity or the number of players gaming although we will not use bots without making such usage clear to You;

Plus, there is this apparent quote from customer support -

"Player: Is the player "bot771107" a bot?
Laura: Yes (he is); and he is also marked as one (a bot)"

This is a statement that has just come in from ipoker...
Dear Member,

We would like to take this opportunity to publish the network’s policy and stance on automated “bots” being used on iPoker, and to comment on some specific accounts that have been mentioned on Pokerstrategy.com.

Our policy is clear: A poker account is to be used exclusively by the registered account holder and the use of any automated “bots” is prohibited. In all cases where iPoker security department is satisfied that an account is being used in any other way than by the sole registered account holder the account is closed. This is done in every case regardless of how much rake the account has contributed, and forum posts that suggest iPoker ignores “bots” because of the rake they generate are very much wide of the mark.

The network’s security department regularly checks suspicious accounts at all stake levels and is freezing accounts for failing our “bot” testing procedures, as well as taking firm measures towards affiliates of such “bots” rings.

The integrity of the network is our highest priority and it is essential that players know they are in a secure environment. We will always investigate any account that we suspect of using “bots” and if the members of the iPoker network have concerns over particular accounts we request to receive these concerns and inquiries for investigation.

Regards,

That term is from their casino T&Cs, not their poker ones.

Also, safely ignore anything that a customer service agent says in chat - you're often lucky if they know what product you're talking about, lest subtle intricacies.

Could you provide a link to the poker T & C's as I could only find the page I linked to on WH poker site ?

Wp 2+2 op , level is funny.

http://www.williamhillpoker.com/terms.htm

http://www.williamhillcasino.com/terms.htm

10.1.1.4 isn't on the poker one.

Groovy, thanks.

The T & C's I thought I linked to in a previous post where found at poker.williamhill.com after a quick Google.

Where is it confirmed?

That is incorrect. The T & C's as to "bots" is under the Casino section, it is NOT in the Poker section.

As to the info given in the call to CC, it's clear it was a palpable error, which has been explained. CC Agents for Online Gaming Sites are usually sub-contracted to outside agencies, or are freelance staff, & are notorious for not accurately knowing the fine detail.

The whole Thread is typical 2+2 over-rectionments in my personal opinion, looking for shadows which are not there, with the usual incredible scare & conspiracy theories woven in, & "it's the end of the world" type nonsense.

I have no flag to fly for i-Poker, God knows I loathe them for the disgraceful way they treated blonde, & with-held monies wrongfully from our Clients, & us, but the thread is as near to a level as it gets, & anyway, it does not mean we should not be fair & sensible in our views & opinions towards them. In my opinion, that is.....

There may well be bots on the poker site, but if so, they are not sanctioned by WHP or i-Poker.

There was a highly amusing part of the thread where it became evident that these "secret" bots not only all had the "bot" prefix in their screen-name (as they do on the Casino Sites), but they even chatted in the Chat Box, & watched other Tourneys!

Maybe it's me being whooshed, but someone is, clearly.

These are obviously the latest generation T-X bots - and they watch other tournaments to learn and improve.

i thought i posted that i possibly know dyer88 dave but it got removed for some reason, possibly mentioning 3 other poker sites on i poker. still waiting for him to get up and confirm

what are the casino games that have bots in them?

Possibly know..  Not Kieron is it, he played number 8?

Not Kieron, i reckon its Danny........88 was the last year he made a movie or tv show worth watching

Glad you asked, I am finding it hard to imagine which casino/table games would require bots ?

Errr false alarm. My mates called Dwyer not Dyer..... Must be a bot then lol.

Not like Bainn to get the wrong end of the stick.

TFB

My version rhymes with yours anyway stu

What is amazing about the bots is that they are very "unbot like," in so far as it is really difficult to read any predictable tendencies, or find too much to exploit.

It's worrying that iPoker has known about this for so long, and still nothing has been done.

I believe will hill has gin rummy available and they pit you up against a bot for a fee.

and backgammon iirc

I don't have a weakness for table games so thanks for the info Ant & Greekstein.

Had a conversation with support on WH today and they confirmed there were no bots being used in poker.

Oh that's ok then :)........ Seem to remember flushy telling us that we dont need to worry about full tilt either :)