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This has been niggling at me since Sunday.

6 handed 50/1 at DTD
Straddled to £2, 1 limper
I have  Ks Qs on button and raise to £10 playing c£250

Straddle calls (c£200)
Limper calls (c£79)

Flop  Qc 6s 8c

Checked to me

I bet £23

Straddle raises to £63
Limper shoves --- £79

The guy in the straddle seemed to me to be playing pretty conservatively to now - he'd shoved the river over a sizeable bet earlier and although he got a fold he did show the nuts.

T'other guy is youngish and has been pretty gambly with his chips and it feels like a biggish flush draw


WWYD and why?

I'd fold.

Because I think I'm losing.

I'd shove cause I would think I am winning

Not to state the obvious, but it boils down to what you think a "conservative" player is checkraising with versus you. Generally don't think we're in good shape versus a check raise, especially as he's not closing the action with a shortstack behind. 88 and 66 are a big part of his range, and if he has a flush draw it's likely to be that of the nut variety, giving him an over as well. Against someone more active it's probably okay to take a card, but in this spot I'd fold. Also I cbet smaller.

Open smaller too

George makes it 2.1x pre.

Limp obv

Make it 8 pre (not that it matters that much).

Fine up to this point, do a fold now

Pre is fine/standard sizing. 8-10 is fine. Cbet 16-19 though.

Not super happy about it but I'd shove now. So many combinations of drawing hands he can have compared to 12 combinations  of 66 and 88. 2 of his outs are probably taken by the other guy too. You have a backdoor flushdraw as well which does make a difference. It's possible that by shoving he folds AQ as well.

lol George got two bites, ofc pre is fine.

The six handed table has brought out the combinatorics in Alex. Agree that the shortstack in the hand can have blockers to villain's hand, and was thinking about backdoor equity which probably includes the kingball, so shoving is kind of sexy; but from an ABC perspective, are we happy to get a a full BI three ways with tpgk?

why?

I like the open

i'd play it the same and I think i'd go all in now although i'm not gonna be too shocked when he shows me Q8 lol

like alex says his range has a few more combo's of draws and Qx's "raising for information" than genuine C/R hands which are 66/88/Q8 and 68 and we now have the overlay of the other guys £80 vs whom we can assume we're golden and we might get it in vs shared outs which will obviously be nice

we got backdoor spades as well which makes a little difference.

lol@smaller PRE, minimum £10 imo we're on the btn with basically the nuts.

Stick some combos of Q8 and every combo of 68 in there. Timing of the flop shove quite important too. I'm probably folding in game.

making it bigger pre >>> making it smaller here.

I don't play much cash but we 10* here rly?

Straddled...

Ah.....

Thanks all - good to know I got most of the hand about right

I contemplated the shove but folded, the board ran out club-free and the two of them then declared they'd missed and did that irritating  I don't want to show the losing hand thing

eventually the pot went to the shortstack's missed J high  flush  >:(

Must improve my reading skills - had I believed he was checkraising a flush draw I'd have reshoved

so you'd normally open to 8x after a few limpers?

?

we make it big because we have a good hand, this is live cash poker, bet more when you have a good hand.

I thought we had made it a tenner on the button with no straddle

I still think that would be fine. (although undeniabley a touch on the large side)

So in a 1/2 game std open is 20 quid without straddles? I would think if Ur opening to a tenner every hand at .50/1 u wouldn't get much action?

A thinking player will undoubtedly be of this opinion, but live cash game fish call anything. Opening 2* pot after a limper or two will get called most of the time. I normally open for pot so I think £9-10 here is fine, but if you don't mind playing big pots, £15-20 will usually get called here as well especially in the deep games. The mentality is the same as tournament fish who start with 30k chips instead of 10k chips, they don't play deeper they just call off lighter and open bigger.

So with a £2 straddle you're going to get called opening to 20 quid. Rly?

I understand your skepticism, but yes really. Read my new diary entry for full details on how bad 100nl live fish really are.

In quite a few places probably.  The old limp to £2, call £20, fold to any bet on the flop.

George just wants to make sure it's not a level before he makes the transition from online MTTs to live cash.

Forgot to mention, they're sitting with £40 before the hand started as well.

I'm still making the transition to MTT's thx

and will stick the rest in in they hit any part of the flop, or if there is any combination of turn/river that they might hit

i dont think this reamins constant as you go up stakes, I think you can open to a tenner at 50/1 with a good hand and lots of people call cos it's £10, not really placing too much relevance on it being 10x.

k k.

I mean I obv see people splashing about but have only played .50/1 at dtd where the player base is pretty solid although has loosened up since they upped the cap and allowed straddles

Open to 10 is obviously fine.

Rest of hand depends a little bit on what you think the straddle's calling range out of the straddle. Given that this is live cash I'm just assuming I'm ahead of the short stack. Given that there are quite a few combi straight-flush draws out there I'm probably going to flat and get it in on any non-club turn.