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6max cash 100bbs.

1) We are playng vs a reg who we have been caught 4b folding vs and getting it in semi light for value by 3b/5b (9's)

He opens 3x in the sb and we make it 9x in the bb.

He jams

We call with? And why?


Will post second question after some discussion.

cash/mtt?

stack sizes in hand (in bbs)

done hero, apologies x

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AA, nuts

I won a big pot with  Ks 9s the other day, so i'd call with that.

gtfo mug.

lol. meh fuck you all then.

its quite a regular thing and something a guy i stake asked me about today.

#retiringfrompha

Id call WAY tighter than I'd shove in his spot...

TT+
AQ+

maybe wider in specific situations

i spoke to a 600nl reg who said people were starting to call with 109s.

We discussed it and we came to conclusion his range would be 22-77 alot and some Ax hands

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#dontletthehaterswin

Something just not right about this. I can't imagine why this spot is a regular thing at all? Why is the reg just jamming? Optimal GTO strategy for 4bf/4bc will be way more profitable than GTO strategy of just 4b shoving.

I've seen it quite often at 100-200nl too, usually from bad regs that have been fed up of good regs 3b/4b basically woning them too much and just jamming pairs with the "i know you are FOS I have a pair and willing to go all in but i dont want to 4bcall!"

BVB I've done it a few times and when I didn a coaching session with Alex Martin he said it was actually good.

#confirmedbadreg!

I don't think this happens very often at all bvb.

Reg getting owned up in 3b/4b wars, reg gets bored, reg makes adjustments, adjustments dont work so reg starts 4b jamming.

Basically the story lol.

(you be surprised how many times said reg has done this)

doesnt matter so much if its bvb or c/o vs btn imo, but ive seen it alot more at bvb than c/o vs btn, I've done it q a bit at bvb but never at c/o vs btn afair.

Not many regs on Stars do this very often at all.

Of course it matters. Variables like opening range, f3bet, 4bet range all matter. Regardless, if your horse is doing this, tell them to get a grip. 3b/4b stuff is simple maths.

His horse isn't doing this, his horse is asking if we should tighten our 3b range vs a player doing this or loosen our 3b/call range

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Sorry for spreading hating, it's something I've seen semi regularly and have done myself in certain situ's. Will ask Alex to post here too as I don't wnat to quote him on his reasons for why it was fine.

I'm not sure I really understand the preflop dynamics in 6max NLHE that well.

What I've seen from my 6max NL experience is 1) people 3bet the wrong hands constantly, and 2) people make way more bad calls than bad folds and 3) people 3bet from the SB or BB way too frequently.

Do you think this is accurate?

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correcto, another mistake is that they will ALWAYS peel 66-1010 in position no matter the circumstance (100bbs deep)

so we're in sb, open to 3x, bb 9x, we haz does pocket deuuuuuces and obviously because he 3bets wayyyyy too much he will probably 5b too much too. Whatcha doing son?

It's something I consider and sometimes do when it's multiway then an aggro reg squeezes so I 4b jam, obv that's very different though. Keys pretty much summed it up regards the theory.

No idea why you said it doesn't matter what position it is.

i just mean with a dynamic.

We open a pair from any position, he 3bets in position.

It's back to us with out pair.

THIS REG IS 3BETTING ME TOO MUCH, FUCK HIM, FUCK HIS MOTHER!

The adjustments vs this are even simpler maths.

1. What is his range?
2. What are our pot odds?
3. ???
4. Profit

If you're asking what his range is then that question really could have been in the OP, rather than the Pleno classic "POKER. Shoot."
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I can't see a situation where someone would be doing this often enough to discourage you from 3betting IP (unless they stop opening). Again though, the adjustments should be obvious.

I don't always open 22 bvb. Hope that hasn't blown your mind too much

ok sorry.

I think his range is 22-77 and some small aces and suited aces.  I have 910s and plays well vs this range. Should we call?

Also first,

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I'd disagree with this point in general, in fact i'd say ppl 3bet too much IP vs competent players, which only playing 100bb deep isn't going to bother a competent player who will adjust accordingly.

Agree that people don't 3b too freq, I'd say most regs in these games have decent 3b% in blinds. At lower stakes I'd say they don't do it enough from lp but assume you are talking about mid stakes.

Pads is right that a ton of regs peel in pos with sm/md pairs when they shouldn't.

i open fold small pairs bvb all the time, surely thats fine?

Thanks JP, whenever I play I always feel like when i open the cutoff/btn people just seem desperate to 3bet me from the blinds cos i'm prolly "opening wide" from LP. maybe this is more live, this happens a lot live.

I dont think 4b jamming 22-66 is really that good in this specific situation, yeah give the guy a widish 3bet range will mean you're gonna get a ton offolds and you win like 15 big blinds, but theoretically it seems a hard play to balance profitabley (plus seems easy to adjust to) and your equity is really gonna be damaged by every bad/spite call the 3bettor makes, and i think its not equitable at all to 4b/call 22-55. Which makes me think unless you're against a tight BB folding 22-55 is just a better play.

Can everyone take Pleno's pha posts a bit more serious please and give him good, well thought out answers.  It keeps him occupied and stops him posting "Newcastle United are unbeatable" elsewhere which really tilts me.  kthxbye

you said it

Tbf he has a good point  ;whistle;

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Link to maths, please.

Shove equity calculater is what you need, pot/call%*equity when called or some such calc.

Not sure I like the note of incredulity in your post, but whatever, I wrote this on the subject a few years ago: http://www.blackbeltpoker.com/articles/read/Three--Four-Betting---Part-Three

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bet you're glad you left mate!

good stuff :)

 next time I 4b call KJs I hope you have a piece :P

jokes, its a very good article :)up

so dependant on a million variables, pretty sure the bots are doing a better job than we are though.