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Title: Aces early on in $55f Post by: Ant040689 on October 24, 2011, 10:59:36 PM PokerStars Game #69473753116: Tournament #544010681, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2011/10/24 22:41:12 WET [2011/10/24 17:41:12 ET]
Table '544010681 20' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: ballallday12 (4934 in chips) Seat 2: sakazu (3115 in chips) Seat 3: maddogmoz (2453 in chips) Seat 4: Tyren0 (1388 in chips) Seat 5: henrique83 (3535 in chips) Seat 6: aJarov (2852 in chips) Seat 7: DanielPT (2760 in chips) Seat 8: anup returns (2910 in chips) Seat 9: Takezo1980 (2588 in chips) henrique83: posts small blind 25 aJarov: posts big blind 50 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to anup returns [As Ac] DanielPT: folds anup returns: raises 75 to 125 Takezo1980: folds ballallday12: folds sakazu: folds maddogmoz: calls 125 Tyren0: folds henrique83: folds aJarov: folds *** FLOP *** [Qc 6h 5s] anup returns: bets 150 maddogmoz: calls 150 *** TURN *** [Qc 6h 5s] [Kd] anup returns: checks maddogmoz: bets 150 anup returns: calls 150 *** RIVER *** [Qc 6h 5s Kd] [Kh] anup returns: checks maddogmoz: bets 925 anup returns: calls 925 *** SHOW DOWN *** maddogmoz: shows [6c 6s] (a full house, Sixes full of Kings) anup returns: mucks hand maddogmoz collected 2775 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 2775 | Rake 0 Board [Qc 6h 5s Kd Kh] Seat 1: ballallday12 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: sakazu folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: maddogmoz showed [6c 6s] and won (2775) with a full house, Sixes full of Kings Seat 4: Tyren0 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: henrique83 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 6: aJarov (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 7: DanielPT folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: anup returns mucked [As Ac] Seat 9: Takezo1980 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Played well? Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: StuartHopkin on October 24, 2011, 11:05:28 PM Yep
Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: GreekStein on October 24, 2011, 11:17:32 PM Gonna disagree with the childrens education furniture mogul who champions ireland's finest drink Mr Stuart Bopkins.
3x it pre Ant. This is pre antes. I think betting turn and then bet/folding river is better than your line. Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: action man on October 24, 2011, 11:57:12 PM Gonna disagree with the childrens education furniture mogul who champions ireland's finest drink Mr Stuart Bopkins. 3x it pre Ant. This is pre antes. I think betting turn and then bet/folding river is better than your line. think beting turn then bet folding river is slightly better, but i disagree with the 3x pre antes party, i think its important to keep pots pretty small, and people peel much wider to 2x than 3x in the early levels. Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: cambridgealex on October 25, 2011, 12:08:27 AM The earlier streets are at least debatable, the river is a clear fold.
Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: Ant040689 on October 25, 2011, 12:41:20 AM The earlier streets are at least debatable, the river is a clear fold. I agree, because the bet is quite big on the river and so early on i doubt anyone is going to bluff at that size. However, the way i played it i was eyeing up the villain to put in a river bluff, as i thought that was the way i was going to maximise the value of my hand. Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: NigDawG on October 25, 2011, 12:51:31 AM don't see how checking turn can be > betting
Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: Ant040689 on October 25, 2011, 12:58:14 AM don't see how checking turn can be > betting If he checked turn behind me, the likelihood of him calling a bet out on the river is more likely with weaker holdings. Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: cambridgealex on October 25, 2011, 01:05:01 AM don't see how checking turn can be > betting If he checked turn behind me, the likelihood of him calling a bet out on the river is more likely with weaker holdings. How is this true? You're not likely to take a bet / check / bet line as a bluff. If you were bluffing the king is definitely a card you'd barrel. I can see how you've "set villain up for a river bluff" but now he's bet this size, I think you have to reevaluate and fold. Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: GreekStein on October 25, 2011, 01:08:25 AM don't see how checking turn can be > betting If he checked turn behind me, the likelihood of him calling a bet out on the river is more likely with weaker holdings. lol wat Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: Ant040689 on October 25, 2011, 01:25:56 AM don't see how checking turn can be > betting If he checked turn behind me, the likelihood of him calling a bet out on the river is more likely with weaker holdings. lol wat I don't know Cos, i really don't. I'm sigh changing my game up completely because there are clearly massive leaks! Anyone fancy backing me? Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: SuuPRlim on October 25, 2011, 03:21:31 AM don't see how checking turn can be > betting If he checked turn behind me, the likelihood of him calling a bet out on the river is more likely with weaker holdings. I think this is a year or two out of date. your range has more air in it betting the turn than chk calling it, I think so early like this keeping it kinda simple is better, you are right you're unlikely to get 3 streets from this hand but betting flop, betting turn and betting and him folding the river is > bet/chk/bet imo as you rep a hand with some value when you chk/call the turn and bet/chk/bet lines are usually interpretted as Cbet conected flop/pot control/thin(ish) value bet. I also agree with Alex that as played the river is a fold. Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: Ant040689 on October 25, 2011, 04:07:41 AM don't see how checking turn can be > betting If he checked turn behind me, the likelihood of him calling a bet out on the river is more likely with weaker holdings. I think this is a year or two out of date. your range has more air in it betting the turn than chk calling it, I think so early like this keeping it kinda simple is better, you are right you're unlikely to get 3 streets from this hand but betting flop, betting turn and betting and him folding the river is > bet/chk/bet imo as you rep a hand with some value when you chk/call the turn and bet/chk/bet lines are usually interpretted as Cbet conected flop/pot control/thin(ish) value bet. I also agree with Alex that as played the river is a fold. Great summation. You are also correct about me being two years in the past as i haven't put much effort into changing my game, but that is happening now. Need to be much more aware of how the oppo views my plays from start to finish rather than analysing on a street by street basis which i often get in the habit of doing because, when multi-tabling i can lose track of how the earlier streets played out. Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: SuuPRlim on October 25, 2011, 06:37:38 PM The earlier streets are at least debatable, the river is a clear fold. I agree, because the bet is quite big on the river and so early on i doubt anyone is going to bluff at that size. However, the way i played it i was eyeing up the villain to put in a river bluff, as i thought that was the way i was going to maximise the value of my hand. what is he trying to make you fold, this is theoretically a great card for your hand so he bets 1.15x pot, just seems like your range is face up and he knows you wont fold it, he isnt betting AQ for value here either. would be sick to Jam as a bluff lol, he should fold but he defo wont. Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: celtic on October 25, 2011, 06:54:04 PM The earlier streets are at least debatable, the river is a clear fold. I agree, because the bet is quite big on the river and so early on i doubt anyone is going to bluff at that size. However, the way i played it i was eyeing up the villain to put in a river bluff, as i thought that was the way i was going to maximise the value of my hand. what is he trying to make you fold, this is theoretically a great card for your hand so he bets 1.15x pot, just seems like your range is face up and he knows you wont fold it, he isnt betting AQ for value here either. would be sick to Jam as a bluff lol, he should fold but he defo wont. Are you being hyperbolic here Dave? Boooooom! Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: pleno1 on October 26, 2011, 10:33:06 AM bet, bet, bet
you should bet the k with all your bluffs as its a good scare card meaning he will call alot of turns and probably rivers with qx. on this river he will call most queens too. pre i make it 150 Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: SuuPRlim on October 26, 2011, 01:03:41 PM this might notbe the case for a $55 f/o but surely bet / bet / chk-fold is prolly the optimal play vs any decent villain?
Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: Ant040689 on October 26, 2011, 01:21:28 PM this might notbe the case for a $55 f/o but surely bet / bet / chk-fold is prolly the optimal play vs any decent villain? I agree, two barrels and then check, evaluate the river bet by them and then consider the call or fold. Normally too high a bet is them suggesting they are weak hoping for you to call and a half pot bet or below can be either a value bet or a value bet bluff, so a call to a half bet pot by them considering the price on the call. I say too high a bet is normally suggestive of them having more than AA because of how early on we are in the tournament. It is a shame i don't have a HUD for any more background knowledge on this guy (something i am setting up, four years and counting now) but i wonder what stats would this guy need to suggest that if i bet bet checked, that he would bluff bet the pot on the river? Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: buzzharvey22 on October 26, 2011, 02:37:02 PM this might notbe the case for a $55 f/o but surely bet / bet / chk-fold is prolly the optimal play vs any decent villain? I agree, two barrels and then check, evaluate the river bet by them and then consider the call or fold. Normally too high a bet is them suggesting they are weak hoping for you to call and a half pot bet or below can be either a value bet or a value bet bluff, so a call to a half bet pot by them considering the price on the call. I say too high a bet is normally suggestive of them having more than AA because of how early on we are in the tournament. It is a shame i don't have a HUD for any more background knowledge on this guy (something i am setting up, four years and counting now) but i wonder what stats would this guy need to suggest that if i bet bet checked, that he would bluff bet the pot on the river? not sure a HUD stat would be very usefull as if you have ever had this situation it wont be very often, and not enough of a decent sample size to just base the decision on that. previous notes on villian would be a lot more usefull but as you say you its early in tourney so hard to have developed notes either. Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: Ant040689 on October 26, 2011, 02:41:08 PM this might notbe the case for a $55 f/o but surely bet / bet / chk-fold is prolly the optimal play vs any decent villain? I agree, two barrels and then check, evaluate the river bet by them and then consider the call or fold. Normally too high a bet is them suggesting they are weak hoping for you to call and a half pot bet or below can be either a value bet or a value bet bluff, so a call to a half bet pot by them considering the price on the call. I say too high a bet is normally suggestive of them having more than AA because of how early on we are in the tournament. It is a shame i don't have a HUD for any more background knowledge on this guy (something i am setting up, four years and counting now) but i wonder what stats would this guy need to suggest that if i bet bet checked, that he would bluff bet the pot on the river? not sure a HUD stat would be very usefull as if you have ever had this situation it wont be very often, and not enough of a decent sample size to just base the decision on that. previous notes on villian would be a lot more usefull but as you say you its early in tourney so hard to have developed notes either. Maybe i should expand on another thread but how do people make notes in tourns? I don't really do them and if i don't recognise their name as a regular i often just play a standard game whatever that is. There good abbreviations for certain things, plus what do people most often note about another player? An example of what you may have written on a player would be helpful. I often get put off writing notes because of the amount of tabs i have up. Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: millidonk on October 26, 2011, 02:54:26 PM Few random ones each with little bits of info, there will be some ppl with some very useful info, can't hurt to start a thread.
http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=45.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=45.0) http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3817.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=3817.0) this one from not long ago, more funny than useful: http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=52870.0 (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=52870.0) " I bet he has clean windows " Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: buzzharvey22 on October 26, 2011, 02:58:32 PM i usually just write a quick line about a previos hand we've together to give me an idea on player
or i just say "*****" Title: Re: Aces early on in $55f Post by: hatthehole on October 26, 2011, 04:50:07 PM bet, bet, bet |