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Been lurking in the background for a while now reading a few of the diaries but in particular the hand analysis. I really rate the opinions of certain individuals on Blonde although things do get a tad too technical for my little brain at times!  Anyway, after lots of umming and ahhing I have finally decided it is time to man up and put myself forward for a flaming on the PHA board!!!

Here goes…......

History
Villain seems competent. Opening a reasonable amount of pots and not seen him do anything out of line.
In the last 10 hands I have been all in twice. Firstly when I 3 barrelled QQ on a J high board and secondly when I turned the nut straight and over shoved the river. Wasn’t called on either occasion. The reason I mention this is that given these recent events it is likely my opponents think I am pretty spewy (which at times I definitely can be!) and this definitely had an impact on how I played the hand.

Would appreciate feedback on:

a)   Is this a standard fold pre?
b)   How bad/good is my line?

Thanks in advance.
Tom

PokerStars Game #69803089351: Tournament #545010201, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500) - 2011/10/31 10:00:55 ET
Table '545010201 35' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: zwartbont (119952 in chips)
Seat 2: saltwaterjoe (30095 in chips)
Seat 4: marre1990 (238494 in chips)
Seat 5: martindekker (35970 in chips)
Seat 6: souliskex (31867 in chips)
Seat 7: advanced_66 (41074 in chips)
Seat 8: Siggno (195162 in chips)
Seat 9: BethalLizzle (132009 in chips)
zwartbont: posts the ante 250
saltwaterjoe: posts the ante 250
marre1990: posts the ante 250
martindekker: posts the ante 250
souliskex: posts the ante 250
advanced_66: posts the ante 250
Siggno: posts the ante 250
BethalLizzle: posts the ante 250
Siggno: posts small blind 1250
BethalLizzle: posts big blind 2500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BethalLizzle [6s 5c]
zwartbont: raises 3500 to 6000
saltwaterjoe: folds
marre1990: folds
martindekker: folds
souliskex: folds
advanced_66: folds
Siggno: calls 4750
BethalLizzle: calls 3500
*** FLOP *** [8s 6d 6h]
Siggno: checks
BethalLizzle: bets 12579
zwartbont: folds
Siggno: calls 12579
*** TURN *** [8s 6d 6h] [Jd]
Siggno: checks
BethalLizzle: bets 18900
Siggno: raises 23900 to 42800
BethalLizzle: raises 70380 to 113180 and is all-in
Siggno: calls 70380
*** RIVER *** [8s 6d 6h Jd] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Siggno: shows [8c 8h] (a full house, Eights full of Sixes)
BethalLizzle: shows [6s 5c] (three of a kind, Sixes)
Siggno collected 271518 from pot
BethalLizzle finished the tournament in 67th place and received $32.16.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 271518 | Rake 0
Board [8s 6d 6h Jd 4d]
Seat 1: zwartbont folded on the Flop
Seat 2: saltwaterjoe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: marre1990 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: martindekker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: souliskex folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: advanced_66 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Siggno (small blind) showed [8c 8h] and won (271518) with a full house, Eights full of Sixes
Seat 9: BethalLizzle (big blind) showed [6s 5c] and lost with three of a kind, Sixes

Everyone going to say fold pre.

fyp

as played we may as well call turn and let him barrel the river as we are never folding

Also a note on your OP, I think that in a vacum, your barreling and overshoving the river tends to be strength IMO.

lol

Fold pre and i don't like leading out on the flop, there's much more merit to checking. As played yeah i just get it in on the turn as it's a $5 and he'll call with a lot.

okay I fudged up by not folding pre but what is the bottom of our calling range in a spot such as this?

your thining wayyyyy to deeply about a cooler

you cant have a bottom of calling range rly, as im not folding QQ-AA  - but we dont get into this situation with those hands

you have trips - your not folding at any point (except pre) in a $5 mtt

sorry didnt make myself clear. I meant calling pre. with pot/impled odds of 2 big stacks what can we justifiably peel with pre in this spot.

as this hand displays reverse implied odds are your problem

I actually dont hate calling pre off a 50bb stack if we are suited

this hand doesnt display reverse implied odds. thats like saying AQ has reverse implied odds if it comes QQK and someone has KK.

fold pre cos 65o is junk and you'll need to flop 2pair+ to continue, which you just won't do often enough.

This line of thinking is common and is a leak...people think they have value calling with this type of hand when in reality you are op with a pretty meh hand and you are check folding 80% time... tournies all about chip preservation,,conserve them for much better spots...post pretty much as played.. not really going to give this up in this tourny

FYP

Also agree fold pre, imo not profitable to peel an UTG open here with 60bigs with 56o.

who has logged into sicilians account please

just go all in most of the time they cant call

once you've called pre, you've flopped the joint so I like c/c flop donk turn on J- turn, check planning to c/r on a J+ turn. Jam river either way because sure am folding.

ty for feedback guys.