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Title: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: pleno1 on November 09, 2011, 03:44:16 PM I've been playing these vs a couple of regs who think I'm awful and I've taken weird lines which I assume they will think are fishy, fexample, shoiving as a bluff over a 450 bets with 1000 effective stacks at start of the hand.
This guy is pretty awful imo and a terrible reg, havn't opr'd him but he';s def making mistakes and not adjusting v.well. He checks back flops alot and I have led almost all of the turns. If he never has a calling range on the river, what do y'all think about donking this river really small and getting him to shove over as a bluff? PokerStars Game #70272710327: Tournament #466670787, $95.69+$4.31 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level II (15/30) - 2011/11/09 16:40:23 CET [2011/11/09 10:40:23 ET] Table '466670787 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: Yura_rnd (1591 in chips) Seat 2: pads1161 (1409 in chips) Yura_rnd: posts small blind 15 pads1161: posts big blind 30 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to pads1161 [Qc Tc] Yura_rnd: raises 30 to 60 pads1161: calls 30 *** FLOP *** [4s 5c 4c] pads1161: checks Yura_rnd: checks *** TURN *** [4s 5c 4c] [Qs] pads1161: bets 86 Yura_rnd: raises 124 to 210 pads1161: calls 124 *** RIVER *** [4s 5c 4c Qs] [Ac] pads1161: checks Yura_rnd: bets 270 pads1161: raises 869 to 1139 and is all-in Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: boldie on November 09, 2011, 04:03:08 PM I prefer this TBH. I think leading out here just always screams "I have the flush or better" and think this is more likely to get him to fling some chippies into the pot.
Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: pleno1 on November 09, 2011, 04:12:41 PM for the record, if i led the river it would be close to the size of his turn bet.
Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: pleno1 on November 09, 2011, 04:34:57 PM also thoughts if we have Qh Th
Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: SuuPRlim on November 09, 2011, 06:07:37 PM i like leading the river, cant see him ever value betting this card now, but it looks like he's prolly bluffing on the turn so maybe there is merit to chking as most river value comes from bluffs.
having said that i would have lead the river small, as you suggest something like 150~, only major + for checking is if he has AQ we will way more. Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: Ingi on November 09, 2011, 07:02:53 PM Qh Th Dave?
Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: mulhuzz on November 10, 2011, 01:03:04 PM what we think about just shoving river with both Qc Tc and Qh Th ?
Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: Dubai on November 10, 2011, 01:15:40 PM Why would we check raise QT hh on the river? Way overcomplicating a simple hand
As played it's fine. QThh is obviously a call/fold on river not a check-raise Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: pleno1 on November 10, 2011, 01:15:58 PM what we think about just shoving river with both Qc Tc and Qh Th ? less than 0% with either, what would be the merits of this? Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: pleno1 on November 10, 2011, 01:16:32 PM Why would we check raise QT hh on the river? Way overcomplicating a simple hand As played it's fine. QThh is obviously a call/fold on river not a check-raise to get him to fold chops/ax. you prefer a call or fold on river with q10hh? Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: Dubai on November 10, 2011, 01:21:36 PM Turning hands into bluffs has to be the most overrated thing ever- particularly in a sng where people aren't looking to fold and are generally real basic thinkers- the reason we check raise QTcc is because they bet call worse all the time. Toss a coin on QThh one, not sure what I like
Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: pleno1 on November 10, 2011, 01:31:54 PM ok cool thanks.
so what do you think his calling range is on the river when we c/shove. also what hands do you think he raises for value when we donk small otr and what hands do you think he turns into bluffs vs us? Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: Dubai on November 10, 2011, 01:37:58 PM In his head is value range is queens up+, I doubt he bets that big with Qx on river either. So on river I guess his calling range is 4x+, I actually think given description 4x consists of most of his value range
As for him turning hands Into bluffs i'd guess sng players with his description are like 100x more likely to make thin calls on the river than randomly turn hands into a bluff. I think you are massively over thinking everything against someone you describe as terrible etc in a sng. The hand looks fine to me as it is and wp Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: pleno1 on November 10, 2011, 01:39:26 PM ok thanks.
i thought that his line is always 4x or FOS and would raise both of them if i donked small but would fold the FOS if i c/r. cheers. Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: Dubai on November 10, 2011, 01:42:20 PM I mean obviously you are far more likely to know his tendencies in gameflow but as you described above his image is real passive given he checks loads of flops etc and you have crazy image- with that info just seems so unlikely he is going to start turning hands into bluffs on river
Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: SuuPRlim on November 10, 2011, 05:57:34 PM I wanna be dubai when i grow up
Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: tikay on November 10, 2011, 06:02:58 PM I wanna be dubai when i grow up Come back in 30 years. Title: Re: $100 hu sng vs reg Post by: DMorgan on November 10, 2011, 06:30:08 PM I like your line, he's obv FOS the vast majority of the time. With QThh vs villain that is more prone to spaz bluffing than a good reg I think its a c/c
A good hand reader will realise that there is far more Ax in your range than there is in his given the turn action so I'd expect his river range to crush QThh |