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Title: 1/2 river spot
Post by: craiggg999 on November 12, 2011, 10:32:47 PM
Playing local 1/2 game. Info on Villain is pretty tight passive player, playing around £200. Hero playing around £250, and we are 4 handed.

Hero on the button with  3s 5s and open to £7 as im opening 90% of hands on button. Get flatted by SB, BB and the Villian who has limp called the cut off.

Flop:  3h 3d 2s wiiiii

Checks to villain who leads for £15 into £28. I dwell then flat, SB and BB both pass.

Turn:  8d

Villain snap leads £40 , find this really weird how ive opened pre, called the flop and he then bets £40 into £58. Is an extremely unusual line for him to take having played with him on many occasions! I call.

River:  Kh

Villain dwells for a minute or so and checks. Hero is playing around £120 behind with the pot now being around £140. Advice on the best river lines please??


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: SuuPRlim on November 12, 2011, 10:52:14 PM
move the slider to the end and click the bet btn imo

unless you have some sort of hero read? i would prolly have raised the flop smallish, id be wieghting him hevily towards  6h 6s,  7h 7s  etc and he may well find a fold on the river now, but most people cant fold those hands to a small flop raise.

I think that most players in these games will check a house or a 3 way way more often than theyd check 7s 7h

Unless you have some sort of hero live read?


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: craiggg999 on November 12, 2011, 11:33:12 PM
No particular hero read...But felt he had a hand in that range too Dave. 66-99 and know personally that a jam on river is never been called. And for the 1 time that he does have 88/22 A5 etc i dont think a jam is profitable knowing the player as he is more than capable or check trapping the river as im likely to bluff the river. This aside he still wont call me with the mid pairs if he thinks i am bluffing. Hes not a good player as you can probably work out lol


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: cambridgealex on November 13, 2011, 12:03:48 AM
Agree with Dave, again sigh.

He has small/medium pairs all the time. Play your hand accordingly depending on what you'll think he'll do with those hands.

Could bet river really small as played.


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: craiggg999 on November 13, 2011, 12:12:00 AM
Yeh agreed im 90% sure he has small-medium pairs.. but stack sizing was awkward , would be hard to bet £40-£50 when he has £100 left...


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: cambridgealex on November 13, 2011, 02:17:07 AM
I was thinking more like 25, which surely he calls 100% of the time whereas if you shove he probably folds >75% of the time so is less profitable.


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: SuuPRlim on November 13, 2011, 02:27:52 AM
i always take the approach of "you need a REASON to bet small" like if he calls a jam 20% of the time and £40 50% of the time then its a much better play to jam.

If you think he's 100% NOT going to call a jam then size down as you think, I think this is great reason for raising the flop or jamming the turn. I hope he doesn't have 88 lol

Agree with Dave, again sigh.

#allgrownup


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: GreekStein on November 13, 2011, 05:55:57 AM
std Jam.

Wouldn't expect him to check any hands that have you beat here really with less than PSB's behind.


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: DMorgan on November 13, 2011, 08:39:35 AM
Don't raise pre, jam now


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: SuuPRlim on November 13, 2011, 11:25:29 AM
I was thinking more like 25, which surely he calls 100% of the time whereas if you shove he probably folds >75% of the time so is less profitable.

In this specific scenario its more profitable to jam, if thats what you meant?


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: Leedszilla on November 13, 2011, 12:22:55 PM
I was thinking more like 25, which surely he calls 100% of the time whereas if you shove he probably folds >75% of the time so is less profitable.

This, though perhaps bump it up to 35/40 unless the opponent's super scared.


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: cambridgealex on November 13, 2011, 02:45:53 PM
Don't raise pre, jam now

Why no raise pre?

Seems super standard


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: DMorgan on November 13, 2011, 03:13:32 PM
Stylistic preference I guess, but 4 handed I wouldn't expect to get heads up to the flop very often, especially when the blinds are getting 2 and 2.5 to 1 respectively to flick in.



Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: mulhuzz on November 14, 2011, 11:55:13 AM
Stylistic preference I guess, but 4 handed I wouldn't expect to get heads up to the flop very often, especially when the blinds are getting 2 and 2.5 to 1 respectively to flick in.



but we have spadesssssss ;)

think raising pre is fine, but our plan is to get all the monies when we flop like this, so raise flop small as standard and as played slide it in.


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: rfgqqabc on November 15, 2011, 06:01:17 AM
as played bet river for £45ish- tank make it 37 on the flop tho imo


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: pleno1 on November 15, 2011, 09:36:10 AM
fold pre, its a liiiiitle too low.


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: cambridgealex on November 15, 2011, 01:31:40 PM
fold pre, its a liiiiitle too low.

I'm raising close to 100% of my range on the button with weak players in the blinds. 82suited, Q6o, no problem. Surprised you'd fold pre.


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: pleno1 on November 15, 2011, 02:12:49 PM
im raising reallllllllllly wide, but this is probbly jsut out the range, i'm opening 45s which means that this is like super borderline for me and still most likely going to be +ev without taking into accout metagame, reads, gqameflow etc.


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: SuuPRlim on November 15, 2011, 04:41:35 PM
I think the difference between 45 and 53 suited in this spot is pretty negligable, technically its prolly best to fold both but pretty much all of us if we were playing 25 hands an hour would look down at down card of the same colour pretty near each other and just be incapable of not playing


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: cambridgealex on November 15, 2011, 04:57:09 PM
I think the difference between 45 and 53 suited in this spot is pretty negligable, technically its prolly best to fold both but pretty much all of us if we were playing 25 hands an hour would look down at down card of the same colour pretty near each other and just be incapable of not playing

how is it "technically" best to fold 45suited on the button ffs?!


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: SuuPRlim on November 15, 2011, 05:29:04 PM
I think the difference between 45 and 53 suited in this spot is pretty negligable, technically its prolly best to fold both but pretty much all of us if we were playing 25 hands an hour would look down at down card of the same colour pretty near each other and just be incapable of not playing

how is it "technically" best to fold 45suited on the button ffs?!

4high, dominated suits, nearly impossible to overflop someone etc

a bunch of shamefully nitty reasons real men don't give a shit about :P


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: Honeybadger on November 15, 2011, 05:36:22 PM
Bit of confusion here cos the HH states that the CO has open limped, so it is not like we are opening on the BTN when it is folded round to us.

FWIW... If it had been folded round to the BTN I think 53 suited is fine to open-raise with. Although it is not like "wow this is a super profitable spot", and we could often choose to open-fold instead depending on reads/dynamics with the blinds.

In the actual hand itself, I think it all depends on the nature of the open-limper in the CO. If he plays weak-tight/fit-or-fold postflop then it is fine to isolate with the 53 suited. If he is a complete station postflop then we would prefer higher cards that can make decent pairs - and in this case I don't think there is anything wrong with over-limping rather than isolating.


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: pleno1 on November 15, 2011, 05:38:37 PM
I think the difference between 45 and 53 suited in this spot is pretty negligable, technically its prolly best to fold both but pretty much all of us if we were playing 25 hands an hour would look down at down card of the same colour pretty near each other and just be incapable of not playing

how is it "technically" best to fold 45suited on the button ffs?!

4high, dominated suits, nearly impossible to overflop someone etc

a bunch of shamefully nitty reasons real men don't give a shit about :P

[ ] 4 high


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: SuuPRlim on November 15, 2011, 05:47:10 PM
we flopped three of a type though, so good spot open imo :)up


Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: AlexMartin on November 17, 2011, 02:19:11 AM
jam online, 25 live. its the old guys case money, he doesnt want to have to leave.



Title: Re: 1/2 river spot
Post by: craiggg999 on November 17, 2011, 07:34:12 PM
Sorry for late reply, Cut off limper is a very weak passive player hence the iso and confusion on river as to what to do. Is what makes this spot tougher than you would first imagine!