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Title: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: edgascoigne on November 23, 2011, 09:24:44 PM
We are playing c£270, no real hands of note to date.

Utg+1 opens to 15

A couple of seats along with Jc Qc we:

A) Fold
B) Call
C) Raise

We peel, as do 3 others inc both blinds. Pot is £75

Flop comes: J T 8 r (no clubs)

Checks to us and we:

A) Check
B) Bet 35
C) Bet 51

We bet 51 and are called by just the SB. Pot is 177.

Turn comes the  Ahrt which is a second heart.

Villain checks, we:

A) Check
B) Bet 95
C) All in for c200

We check. River is the 3h.

Villain bets 125.

We??


Title: Re: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: rfgqqabc on November 23, 2011, 09:58:51 PM
Played it fine, too strong of a hand to 3b and no reason to 3b an utg+1 raiser. Flop fine, maybe a little big but i see no problems with it.

Turn is ok, i think you'll still be in front so maybe it is a bet, but its hard to see what worse hands call and a 9x hand might bluff the river.

River is a call i think, i cant see how he has an ace and backdoor hearts/flopped straight are your only real concerns as all 2pair+ hands prob raise flop


Title: Re: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: pokerfan on November 23, 2011, 10:10:10 PM
We are playing c£270, no real hands of note to date.

Utg+1 opens to 15

A couple of seats along with Jc Qc

We peel, as do 3 others inc both blinds. Pot is £75

Flop comes: J T 8 r (no clubs)

Checks to us and We bet 51 and are called by just the SB. Pot is 177.

Turn comes the  Ahrt which is a second heart.

Villain checks, We check. River is the 3h.

Villain bets 125.

We??
fyp

No point giving us options then just saying what happened lol, sb stack ?


Title: Re: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: edgascoigne on November 23, 2011, 10:14:53 PM
We are playing c£270, no real hands of note to date.

Utg+1 opens to 15

A couple of seats along with Jc Qc

We peel, as do 3 others inc both blinds. Pot is £75

Flop comes: J T 8 r (no clubs)

Checks to us and We bet 51 and are called by just the SB. Pot is 177.

Turn comes the  Ahrt which is a second heart.

Villain checks, We check. River is the 3h.

Villain bets 125.

We??
fyp

No point giving us options then just saying what happened lol, sb stack ?


Fair point, figured I would stick it all in one post rather than release street by street.

SB covers.


Title: Re: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: SuuPRlim on November 23, 2011, 10:46:28 PM
as played fold.

I'd chk the flop in a vacuum but betting is fine, if there is a club on the board im way more likely to bet.


Title: Re: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: mulhuzz on November 23, 2011, 11:42:25 PM
as played fold.

I'd chk the flop in a vacuum but betting is fine, if there is a club on the board im way more likely to bet.

mmmm, like that extra 4% makes it really close?

I think I might even just fold pre readless, but as played I just try and get to showdown cheap, prolly have to fold this river.


Title: Re: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: cambridgealex on November 24, 2011, 04:42:59 AM
as played fold.

I'd chk the flop in a vacuum but betting is fine, if there is a club on the board im way more likely to bet.

mmmm, like that extra 4% makes it really close?

I think I might even just fold pre readless, but as played I just try and get to showdown cheap, prolly have to fold this river.

Backdoor flush draws are super important when you're deep.

Fold pre? Are u mental?


Title: Re: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: mulhuzz on November 24, 2011, 05:56:55 AM
Backdoor flush draws are super important when you're deep.

Fold pre? Are u mental?

we're 90bb 'deep' tho? and my point was that 4% extra equity shouldn't really make you 'much more likely' to bet flops, right?

and yeah, against an unknown in a complete vacuum I might just fold pre. Anything that suggests that 3 other players will come along, or that utg+1 is opening semi-light will make me call ofc. I'm not saying fold is my standard, but from the info given I think fold a) has to be an option and b) isn't mental.


Title: Re: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: pleno1 on November 24, 2011, 08:43:25 AM
folding pre to a 5x raise 90bbs deep is definitely not out of the question


Title: Re: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: rfgqqabc on November 24, 2011, 08:55:07 AM
If your folding pre with 90 bigs snap reload 1k more big blinds so you never have to fold such pretty hands pre again


Title: Re: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: pleno1 on November 24, 2011, 09:11:55 AM
If your folding pre with 90 bigs snap reload 1k more big blinds so you never have to fold such pretty hands pre again

ja, this is fine ofc.


Title: Re: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: edgascoigne on November 24, 2011, 09:13:37 AM
Think folding pre with 90bbs is probably 'correct'.

But those cards are right next to each other and have the same shape in the corner.

As played I figured he's showing up with a 9 on the end a lot of the time assuming (correctly) I didn't like the ace...and called.

He had AJ, which figures.


Title: Re: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: SuuPRlim on November 24, 2011, 09:30:25 AM
as played fold.

I'd chk the flop in a vacuum but betting is fine, if there is a club on the board im way more likely to bet.

mmmm, like that extra 4% makes it really close?


well basically, when spots are close like this we have to randomize our decision making somehow, as in we chk the flop a certain % and bet a certain %, so for me I always choose times with backdoor equity to take a more aggressive option


Title: Re: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: muckthenuts on November 24, 2011, 09:32:11 AM
folding pre to a 5x raise 90bbs deep is definitely not out of the question

+1


Title: Re: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: DMorgan on November 24, 2011, 01:35:58 PM
Don't fold pre, fold now though. He has AJ lol


Title: Re: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: stato_1 on November 25, 2011, 01:19:20 AM
Fold pre 90bigs deep vs a 5x for me


Title: Re: Play along: 1/3 at the Vic
Post by: AlexMartin on November 25, 2011, 12:49:17 PM
not a great fan of pre, might shove turn sometimes if hes never folding 9x. yeah fkit if shove turn.