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Arrive at live table with £80 in hand. 100nl. Early morning. Straddling and loose calling....

I hold QJ spades. Raise to £4... UTG +2, 4 ish callers.

Flop QQ 7spades. Checked to me... I bet £16 into £21 ish.

1 Caller with around £150 in CO.  Turn 3spades. I bet £21. Player asks how much I'm playing. Pushes me all in I "obviously"(?) call.

He turns over AQ. river blank.

Could I possibly get away? Flush drawing and trips on turn. Not much history on guy at all....

Re thinking hand on the way home I only really seem to be beating QT Q9 Q8 against this type of player but can I seriously contemplate a fold??

no

this is obviously a ridiculous post

If you have no spades you cannot contemplate a fold.

Almost troll like, there must be some more interesting hands you can post.

Well my first post and im disappointed. Setting a bad example for the forum that fourth response. Just re thinking through my hand and thought I'd join and ask. No need for a response like that.

Any other lines I could take for those who are half decent on here and could give me some useful info about the hand that may improve my game?

Your disappointment is understandable, Abz, but don't rush to judgement, most of the posters on PHA are quite helpful. "Keylek" is also a very new Member of blonde, & perhaps has not yet caught the mood & tone of PHA.

I rarely comment on PHA, but your hand was just one of those things, a sort of cooler, & you are obliged to do the lot there. If you don't, you are probably doing something wrong.

Its a cold deck buddy, nowt you can do.

Detach yourself from the hand and you'll see it yourself in no time  :)

SIGH. not you on the cooler band wagon too. i remember a day when we could fold these sort of hands face up and the whole card room buzzed about an amazing fold Tikay made tonight. now the majority of the room sniggers behind our backs :)

welcome to blonde Abz

Game's changed though.

Appreciate that reply. Thanks. First judgement was bad that's all.

Thanks for the help and welcome guys. Look forward to future discussions. :D

yes i know...need a tongue in cheek smiley and we can call it ;theherbie;

Good man.

Helpful hint; try to post a balance of winning & losing hands, & avoid at all costs, hands that are, or look or sound like, bad-beat stories. You will deffo get it in the neck for those, & to be fair, quite right too.

Enjoy. Once you settle in, if your Threads are "boring" or of no interest, you'll know from the lack of replies. A really good PHA thread ought to run to 4 or 5 pages.

Not sure what level you play at, or degree of experience you have, but we also have a "Learning Centre".

Some of the UK's very best players regularly post on blonde PHA, under a variety of aliases, as does Boldie, & Evil Pie. Once you get them debating on your threads, you've cracked it.

I am very sorry to disappoint you, and yes I am a new member so I shouldn't talk like that.

I am sorry for my tone in the post.

But this really shouldn't be a question, you're 80bb deep, you're in a raised pot in a "loose splashy" game and you have trips, third kicker and a flush draw and are getting 3:1 on your money. (infact more, 39 to call ~ 135 in the pot? 3.5:1)

But please keep posting hands its the only way to get better obviously, but there must have been so many more interesting hands from that night than this one that we could discuss??

This sort of question to me is similar to asking whether you should fold KK Blind vs Blind for 100 BB vs a splashy opponent (infact less close). I know it is just a question from you, but honestly did you expect anyone to recommend a fold?

Maybe it was the way I posted it. Maybe I should have asked to discuss rather than asked of I should contemplate the fold. Different ways to play the hand?

I was only there half an hour and hadn't played many hands so there wasn't many other hands an definitely no more interesting than this. Just after thinking against the type of player I'm not beating much. He's hardly calling the flop with nothing less than a Q.

Sorry at my first post failure.

I must improve my posts.
I must improve my posts.
I must improve my posts.

Sorry again.

if you don't play the hand exactly like you did, you're probably making a huge mistake.

keep posting! as tikay says, if you're lucky or find a really interesting spot, you'll get some abs sickos commenting and debating the best lines in your threads. winning.

1) don't apologise for trying to learn
2) of course he's calling flop with more than just a Q!
3) he may raise the turn with less than a Q, there are still queens you're beating if he has one, you has outs if you're behind. you have good odds.
4) you don't need to target improving your posts, you need to target improving your thought process (such as being able to spot which hands are just coolers) and out of this will come improved posts. posting these types of hands to understand why they don't need to be posted is important, init.

As said to you earlier, cant do much with this hand. Only beat by 4 hands on flop, only 6 on turn. Your 25% to win and 13% to tie on turn, it's all going in no matter what with 80bbs.

Welcome to the forum.

I'll give you a quick tip for PHA, don't post the results.  For instance with this hand you can post the history up to the villain's shove and ask what to do.  Alternatively you can post all the actions including your call but not post the villian's hand and ask the forum if your line was ok (you'll see a few 'line check' posts up and down PHA).  Posting results can affect the replies you get.

The hand itself is just a cooler.

Keep posting Sir :)

such shallow stacks can NEVER get away here!

Welcome to Blonde.

There is nothing wrong at all with asking if you should fold. In this case the answer is no but if you are not sure about that then this is the right place to ask. I am pretty sure some of the players on here have thought I have asked some pretty basic questions in this section but I find it very helpful and improve my game by making them (and people are very helpful and the players on here are legit good players). You can't be too sensitive though :-)

No need to "improve posts" other than as somebody has already said do not post results. Keep posting hands.

fwiw my thoughts on the hand are, I am not 100% sure I like playing this kind of hand in EP playing so shallow (assuming a FR table here), it might be OK given the type of game it is though. I would probably say fold pre but once you have hit that flop you just want to find the quickest way to get all your money in (turn card does not change this), standard cooler.

Anyway keep posting

Really appreciate all the pointers guys and look to take them in :D

I'll keep posting but restricted to my bloody iPhone ATM due to a laptop charger fault. No online games for me :(.

Thanks for the pointers and gl at the tables.

I think its perfectly natural to want some sort of re-assurance about hands when you get your money in quite badly, I get my money in terribley quite frequently and even in super striaghtforward cooler spots I spend a good 30 mins thinking about what a complete melon i've been getting it in so badly, but honestly in live 50p/£1 cash games if you go on folding these kind of hands where you have such a strong hand you'll be missing out on lots of money.

Think about a hand step by step, everytime anyone in the hand does anything the dynamic of the hand changes slightly and the opportunity to make better decisions arises, with this hand the questions you should be asking are one like these;

Was my play preflop good, should I open to more than £4, maybe the button is squeeze happy so we want to open bigger to put him off 3betting (and making it easier to fold when he does) is the table so cally that no1 will fold and a limp might be better? should i have folded pre flop? (you shouldn't have btw ;) )

On the flop, was my bet sizing good, £16 into £21 will that bet size persuade weaker hands to continue or should it be smaller to try get 88/99 along for an extra street, do my opponents have a wide enough range of hands here that can call £16 or £14? What about the turn once I've been called, I want to make sure that the pot is the right size - am i going for 2 small bets and an all in, or am i going to bet biggish on the flop and go all in on the turn?  or should I chk and try induce bluffs on the turn?

I think actually you made a kind of mistake with your flop bet sizing, £16 into £21 once called leaves a pot of £53 with £55 back in stacks and now you're kind of cuffed, jamming is the best play theoretically on the turn but you'll fold out a lot cos it's a big bet but betting small looks ridiculously strong, I think in this type of game £12, £25, £39 jam would be the best way of securing the all in, or £20 then jam £50 into £61 on the turn.

As for the turn as you played it the reason everyone is so determined its NEVER a fold is because you're calling £31 to win £172 and to call profitabley here you need 18% equity (31/172) and vs AQ you have 31% equity


Hold'em Simulation ?
44 trials (Exhaustive)
board: Qh Qd 7s 3s
Hand   Equity   Wins   Ties
Ac Qc   68.18%   27   6
Qs Js    31.82%   11   6

SO if he sets you all in and then shows you his hand, you still need to make the call! and as it happens you made £22 long term profit in calling even though you lost, so stop beating yourself up about an unlucky hand as go spend it on something :)

Tl;dr ;)

LilDave is the best

sure was for your benefit cambridgeshire

if you'd posted id have said this

"clear call, doesnt matter what the other guy has because even if he has 4 queens you'll somehow river another 6 jacks, if the planets crash and you don't win then you can just wait till later this month and win another £77,000"

oh and


:)up

so i run good now do i?! god one tourney win 6 months ago and im golden for life IS IT?!?!

(dont read my latest blog before u reply pls ;) )

+1.
 Goes off forum for a day or two then comes back and solves every thread in pha in under an hour, including the post above to the new guy  :)up

#lovethegame

Just a bit. What a perfect description of the spot.

A Newbie arrived, & if he does not accelerate his learning process by 6 months just by reading this thread, he'd best quit poker now.

I really think the blonde PHA is a far far better place than it was 2 or 3 years back. Quite what will happen to it when these kids leave school and are old enough to go to work, I don't know.