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Title: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: paulhouk03 on December 04, 2011, 05:31:15 PM 100£er at leicester championship tourney
10k chips 20 min blinds (not a typo) ~100 players tez standard 17 players left 10 cash blinds was 2000 4000 400 I had 31600 sb had ~60k bb ~50k History Dont know sb bb has seen me jam sb vs bb with j5 with 3 bb effective he probs view me as a lagtard. I view him as a nit and super bad not too sure if he is good enough to adapt. folds to me on the button i have 4c 3c I have 31600 chips is it a jam atc or wait for pp ax kxs q7s in the next 3-4 hands Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: George2Loose on December 04, 2011, 05:34:31 PM Deffo jam mate. Just from experience u get so many folds. UL to walk into a hand
Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: smashedagain on December 04, 2011, 05:36:55 PM Wtf you doing going of bum hunting.
Jam for me and this hand I prefer to the others mentioned when we do get a caller for obv reasons Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: paulhouk03 on December 04, 2011, 05:37:36 PM Deffo jam mate. Just from experience u get so many folds. UL to walk into a hand sighs need to play more live poker The tourney was super fun not many ppl took it seriously considering 100£ is a lot to them seems like good cash their also casino is abit mehhhh Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: pleno1 on December 04, 2011, 05:38:18 PM standards jam, in a £100 live comp people will see 30k chips and shit themselves and call far, far too tight. i prob jam 72o here unless have a reason to otherwise.
Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: millidonk on December 04, 2011, 05:38:39 PM happier jamming and being called with this than A3.
Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: lolwutwasthat on December 04, 2011, 05:40:36 PM I will spend my £50 wisely dont u worry :D
Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: smashedagain on December 04, 2011, 05:42:18 PM I will spend my £50 wisely dont u worry :D Play for peanuts and you attract monkeys :)Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: paulhouk03 on December 04, 2011, 05:43:05 PM Wtf you doing going of bum hunting. trophy hunting!Jam for me and this hand I prefer to the others mentioned when we do get a caller for obv reasons Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: lolwutwasthat on December 04, 2011, 05:44:06 PM sigh at not betting a redic amount offering 2-1 :/
Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: mulhuzz on December 04, 2011, 07:07:01 PM given your read on BB, and the fact that the small blind generally should need a top 20% to call here with BB to act behind, I think I might just pretend to look at my cards before jamming, to give myself the sweat of flicking them over one by one when called ;)
Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: Longy on December 04, 2011, 07:12:14 PM happier jamming and being called with this than A3. You shouldn't be. Really standard jam Paul, especially live poker where they will have no idea how wide you are and adjust their ranges appropriately. Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: paulhouk03 on December 04, 2011, 07:14:31 PM happier jamming and being called with this than A3. You shouldn't be. Really standard jam Paul, especially live poker where they will have no idea how wide you are and adjust their ranges appropriately. so atc then Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: Longy on December 04, 2011, 07:18:44 PM happier jamming and being called with this than A3. You shouldn't be. Really standard jam Paul, especially live poker where they will have no idea how wide you are and adjust their ranges appropriately. so atc then Yip. Like Mulhuzz said I often do the fake look in these spots and then move my betting discs over the line. Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: muckthenuts on December 05, 2011, 01:09:21 AM or wait for pp ax kxs q7s in the next 3-4 hands wayyyy too tight for a shoving range and much closer to a calling range. deffo shove here Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: George2Loose on December 05, 2011, 01:19:23 AM Deffo jam mate. Just from experience u get so many folds. fmp Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: mondatoo on December 05, 2011, 01:53:22 AM happier jamming and being called with this than A3. You shouldn't be. Really standard jam Paul, especially live poker where they will have no idea how wide you are and adjust their ranges appropriately. so atc then Yip. Like Mulhuzz said I often do the fake look in these spots and then move my betting discs over the line. Definite nut line to fake look jam. Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: SuuPRlim on December 05, 2011, 04:39:35 AM happier jamming and being called with this than A3. Wtf you doing going of bum hunting. Jam for me and this hand I prefer to the others mentioned when we do get a caller for obv reasons seriously this is way off, A3o is a way better hand to jam than 43s and q7s is about 10x better than 43s for jamming here, you should be much happier witth K2o than 43s Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: smashedagain on December 05, 2011, 07:46:15 AM It's a £100 comp Dave. You are playing with guys that have a very narrow range when calling shoves for more than half their stacks so close to a £150 min cash. Folding range includes two broadway cards (excluding aces) and medium pairs and they even show you this time and time again. They do not widen their calling enough for A3 to ever be in good shape.
you are not saying fold 4 3 suited afaik just as we are not saying we would ever fold A3 here. Just saying when we get called they have us dominated a huge % of the time. Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: millidonk on December 05, 2011, 09:30:28 AM happier jamming and being called with this than A3. seriously this is way off, A3o is a way better hand to jam than 43s and q7s is about 10x better than 43s for jamming here, you should be much happier witth K2o than 43sDave, in my post focus on the and being called bit, people just don't loosen their ranges, far too tight, I will find myself calling people with very marginal hands but every time i get looked up it is A10+ I see people make horriffic folds in this spot all the time. much rather have 34 sooooted than a3 or k2 as the majority of times we are abso crushed drawing to 3 outs. obv i am jamming any 2, but IF we are to get called by your avg joe £100 live grinder, i want to be holding 34 sooted as opposed to a3. Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: SuuPRlim on December 05, 2011, 10:55:30 AM I understand what you're saying but 43s generally has pretty limitied equity when called, and obv the wider someone is calling then the worse shapes its in, suited connectors are prolly the most overrated and over played hands in >100bb nlhe, I am pretty ocnfident that vs someone who is half decent you should fold here, but in this comp I agree its a fistpump jam with almost atc.
Hold'em Simulation ? 126,710,496 trials (Exhaustive) Hand Equity Wins Ties 88+, KQ, AJ+ 71.82% 90,617,257 778,634 4c3c 28.18% 35,314,605 778,634 Hold'em Simulation ? 114,724,368 trials (Exhaustive) Hand Equity Wins Ties 88+, KQ, AJ+ 65.35% 73,918,816 2,117,485 Ac3h 34.65% 38,688,067 2,117,485 Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: smashedagain on December 05, 2011, 12:40:05 PM Meh. I knew you would be able to prove it too.
[X] next time pm lildave instead. Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: MC on December 05, 2011, 12:44:24 PM Standard ATC spot
Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: smashedagain on December 05, 2011, 01:23:23 PM Hey whilst mc n dave are both itt could you also Mathematically blow out of the water another misconception this old fart has. Have been busted in 3 double average pots recently all in on the flop with top set v flush draw x2 and AA v flush draw.
George Geary told me " if you chase a flush, expect to go home on the bus " Ty Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: youthnkzR on December 05, 2011, 01:30:41 PM SB 'CANT' call light cos BB to act behind... BB is a nit.... Ship and get it thru 90%+ of time.... if u walk into a hand then.... oops!
Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: MC on December 05, 2011, 01:35:40 PM Hey whilst mc n dave are both itt could you also Mathematically blow out of the water another misconception this old fart has. Have been busted in 3 double average pots recently all in on the flop with top set v flush draw x2 and AA v flush draw. George Geary told me " if you chase a flush, expect to go home on the bus " Ty I'm afraid they probably had too much let's-put-the-pain-on-Jason-Herbert equity to ever fold flush draws against you. Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: smashedagain on December 05, 2011, 01:56:46 PM Hey whilst mc n dave are both itt could you also Mathematically blow out of the water another misconception this old fart has. Have been busted in 3 double average pots recently all in on the flop with top set v flush draw x2 and AA v flush draw. George Geary told me " if you chase a flush, expect to go home on the bus " Ty I'm afraid they probably had too much let's-put-the-pain-on-Jason-Herbert equity to ever fold flush draws against you. Title: Re: 34 sooted with 8 bigs leciester 100£ turbo Post by: AlexMartin on December 05, 2011, 02:52:24 PM happier jamming and being called with this than A3. You shouldn't be. Really standard jam Paul, especially live poker where they will have no idea how wide you are and adjust their ranges appropriately. hes obv optimistic, glass half full kinda guy. same here! |