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Title: JJ Post by: celtic on December 05, 2011, 08:18:02 PM 1/2 at Luton this morning. 6 handed.
Playing £600. Straddled pot, I open to £14 from utg. Button flats, others fold. Straddle calls. Button is competent & v tight. Normally has nuts or similar. Straddle is gambley and in a £700 hole. Straddler has £105 back, button £254. Flop comes 6d 8d 4s Straddle jams for £105. Best action for us? Flat to induce the button? Flat to fold if button shoves? Shove to isolate?? Re-assess on turn if button flats? We have the Jd if it makes a difference. Title: Re: JJ Post by: George2Loose on December 05, 2011, 08:21:59 PM Jam
Title: Re: JJ Post by: George2Loose on December 05, 2011, 08:22:37 PM And WAL
Title: Re: JJ Post by: Girgy85 on December 06, 2011, 12:42:58 AM Raise it to £253 and tell the button you aint folding if he shoves.
Title: Re: JJ Post by: jezza777 on December 06, 2011, 12:45:55 AM Flat , sigh call if button shoves.
Title: Re: JJ Post by: Boba Fett on December 06, 2011, 02:51:21 AM Flat and call a shove imo
Jamming surely just folds out marginal hands that we crush, nothing that we beat and only maybe average draws? Title: Re: JJ Post by: AlexMartin on December 06, 2011, 12:26:10 PM burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
dont like description of button, feels like set city. might be call and fold to button jam tbh v right villain (gino). Otherwise call/call. Title: Re: JJ Post by: SuuPRlim on December 06, 2011, 03:15:45 PM burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr dont like description of button, feels like set city. might be call and fold to button jam tbh v right villain (gino). Otherwise call/call. yupyupyup :)up Title: Re: JJ Post by: George2Loose on December 06, 2011, 04:16:23 PM Can someone tell me why call/call is better than Jam with these stack sizes? To get villian to specifically shove 99/TT. Surely we want to get rid of any potential draws he has on this board?
Title: Re: JJ Post by: muckthenuts on December 06, 2011, 04:26:48 PM Can someone tell me why call/call is better than Jam with these stack sizes? To get villian to specifically shove 99/TT. Surely we want to get rid of any potential draws he has on this board? Prob just flicks it in with any fd's anyway. I think call/fold is definitely possible here if you can soul read the guy too Title: Re: JJ Post by: George2Loose on December 06, 2011, 04:45:42 PM Can someone tell me why call/call is better than Jam with these stack sizes? To get villian to specifically shove 99/TT. Surely we want to get rid of any potential draws he has on this board? Prob just flicks it in with any fd's anyway. I think call/fold is definitely possible here if you can soul read the guy too Understand call/fold but not call/call over a jam. Maybe just cos I'm a tourney donk Title: Re: JJ Post by: celtic on December 06, 2011, 05:02:48 PM Ok, assuming we call. The button flats and we see the Kd.
What now? Jamming? Check calling? check folding? Title: Re: JJ Post by: Boba Fett on December 06, 2011, 08:57:09 PM Can someone tell me why call/call is better than Jam with these stack sizes? To get villian to specifically shove 99/TT. Surely we want to get rid of any potential draws he has on this board? Prob just flicks it in with any fd's anyway. I think call/fold is definitely possible here if you can soul read the guy too Understand call/fold but not call/call over a jam. Maybe just cos I'm a tourney donk Title: Re: JJ Post by: Mehtab on December 06, 2011, 09:06:37 PM Standard jam from me. As celtic says if button calls behind, you leave yourself in an awkward spot should a "scare" card come out. Even an offsuit A/K/Q puts u in a bad spot out of position.
Title: Re: JJ Post by: youthnkzR on December 07, 2011, 07:27:45 PM obv a snap jam imo
Title: Re: JJ Post by: spence on December 07, 2011, 07:40:25 PM I jam without too much thought, buddy.
The other options seem... dubious. While I can imagine a theoretical villian for call/fold, I'm not entirely sure they exist in reality. Title: Re: JJ Post by: scotty77 on December 07, 2011, 09:29:56 PM Think you should raise more pre.
I prob just go all in on this flop. If BTN had more than it makes it a bit tricky. Whatever we do looks strong IMO. Title: Re: JJ Post by: celtic on December 08, 2011, 07:22:23 PM Butchered IMO.
Thanks for all the advice. Title: Re: JJ Post by: Boba Fett on December 09, 2011, 04:59:19 AM For the people saying snap jam> flat/call or flat/fold. Can you please say why? Can you give me some examples of hands that fold if we jam but call/shove if we flat that we are not favourites against?
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