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Villain seems to be an aggressive winning player - up 21.46 bb/100 over 3.4k hands. Stats of 20/18/8.7/45%, 3bet from SB only 8% though. Cbet 74% with a fold to raise of 88% from 16 hands.

BetFred No-Limit Hold'em, $0.20 BB (6 handed)

BB ($19.82)
UTG ($21.27)
Hero (MP) ($19.68 )
CO ($25.34)
Button ($14.01)
Villain (SB) ($47.14)

Preflop: Hero is MP with  Js Jd,
1 fold, Hero bets $0.60, 2 folds, Villain raises $2.40, 1 fold, Hero ?

Betfred, hmmm could easily be a bot, any stats on villain? I think at worst your up against AK, cant see anyone 4x an open with worse than JJ pair wise, all read and stats dependent mind.

If he's an 18/16 then your probably crushed
If he's a tard playing 35/20 then his range can be alot wider.

Without these stats I probs peel in position.

call

I like a peel here because it keeps your range relatively wide i think.

call, set-mine, hit, & get it in.

Bully, Villain was 20/18, plus his 3bet from SB is only 8%. This leads me to worry I am already crushed.

If we call, what's our plan on various flops, assuming a J doesn't come?

Fold reallly any flop without a Jack, he probably does have a better pair than you PF, but a Jack comes and you have a great chance of getting all his money

wtf he has 8% 3bet its not like he has qq + here,

Cawl and play position.

live (with adjusted blinds), I would call a low flop and re-asses on the turn based on opponents actions. Online, I just think there are better spots to come and am quite happy to wait.

I understand this, but what should we then do post flop, we have position and if the flop comes three under cards I assume we call? Where do we go from there. I lose lot's of money in these types of situation (and many others).

Got to be a 4bet- so few good flops and pretty much ahead of his hand range now. I dont see folding being an option altho his 3b vs mp open is probably lower. D

this is one of the more favourable outcomes of the hand. if the flop comes low low low then my default line readless would be to just call call call. can't really go wrong there.

if it comes Q/K/A high, i'm always calling at least the first barrel. Re-evaluating on the turn if he fires again, depending on the card, our reads. He's 3betting 8%, that's very wide from the sb. He'll barrel most flops, but most ppl shutdown if called on the flop. I.e. he 3bets the K9suited it comes ace high, he thinks that's a good card to barrel, you call, he thinks, oh shit you've got an ace, better give up.

some ppl will be harder to play postflop, and vs these, especially with the 8% 3b stat, I'd be 4b/getting it in vs them as its more profitable than playing the streets if you're not confident post / think he's gonna own you.

so vs an unknown, its close between 4b/calling and peeling IP, never folding obv, and if i decide to peel, not folding to a cbet on most boards, except AKx KQx AQx AKQ.

Sigh - sometime I think I understand this game a little bit then I read an answer like that and realize I am still a noob. I did not think this could ever be a 4-bet (if I was playing the hand it would not enter my head) but yeah, I guess it is.

fwiw if board comes low low i woudlnt call it off al the time, there's just so many variables, but if flop is 1094 turn 3 and he barrels both i'd find a fold

This.

Lots of good input here, thanks all.

yeh i think Rod, that's because 5/6 years ago no-one was getting JJ in pre for 100bbs cos ppl only 3/4b with AA/KK but these days, people are 3 and 4betting much wider, so Jacks is a pretty massive hand.

He's 3betting 8% which to give you an idea is something like 99+,AJs+,KQs,AJo+,KJo - so a much wider range than you'd think.

4b/call way the best option theoretically

most average online nl players 3bet a pretty polarised range from the SB, super-premiums/good hands that are too weak too call

  Td Th+
 Ad Qd+

 Jh 7h,  Kc 6c,  6s 8s etc.

SO you're always gonna show profit 4b/calling cos his range has so many folds in it.

you're range before he 3-bets is pretty wide, if you wanna be 4bet bluffing ever you can click-it-back/call - im sure pleno's done the maths on this

if we're not value 4betting JJ c/o vs SB, then we basically can barely 4bet anything as we are ridiculously polarized (we dont have a wide enough range of hands we 4bet for value to make the strategy of 4betting non-exploitable)

I'm always going to 4b/call personally here as its never burning money and you gain further info on his 3bets.

Don't think we've had this for a while......

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Cheers, I've been thinking about the 8% stat quite a bit today. Of course, when I did the maths, In realised how big a range it is! Doh!