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Title: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: rfgqqabc on December 14, 2011, 07:59:21 PM
Blinds 75/150 £90 sat to MC

I'm in SB with  Ks Ac.

3 limpers, Lawrence Gosling makes it 300, dealer flats 300

Lawrence has been pretty splashy so far, and probably sees me as active, spewy and bluffy. I've been playing like a nit but I'm young looking and he went to c/r me when i was pfr on a KJ4r board and claimed KT after the hand. I had AQ and went to showdown with backdoor QQ and won the pot. We're both 20kish deep and everyone else has about 10k or less



Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: outragous76 on December 14, 2011, 08:06:52 PM
any option is fine this deep (even fold with Lawrence in the hand)  ;)


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: muckthenuts on December 14, 2011, 09:20:45 PM
Make it 1500-2000


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: rfgqqabc on December 14, 2011, 09:30:50 PM
Make it 1500-2000
if he 4bets? Problem was at least one of the limpers could easily call a 1.5k 3bet and then i'm in a shitty spot on most flops


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: mulhuzz on December 14, 2011, 11:10:47 PM
this deep, i think AK is roughly the same hand as 55 oop, so I just peel.


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: outragous76 on December 15, 2011, 03:15:13 AM
this deep, i think AK is roughly the same hand as 55 oop, so I just peel.

like

its def a peel this early and oop


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: rfgqqabc on December 15, 2011, 03:40:17 AM
Feeling happier about my decision to peel and not 3bet now. Thanks guys.


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: GreekStein on December 15, 2011, 06:16:10 AM
I 3-bet here against lawrence.

Hiiiighly unlikely anyone is flatting the 300 and fairly likely lawrence will spazz off pre or post.


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: TommyD on December 15, 2011, 07:45:15 AM
I 3-bet here against lawrence.

Hiiiighly unlikely anyone is flatting the 300 and fairly likely lawrence will spazz off pre or post.

I don't know this player, is he likely to go crazy with weaker aces and less this early?  Personally I like a peel, but 3bet is fine also.


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: GreekStein on December 15, 2011, 07:57:57 AM
Just re-read op.

Is lawrence gosling a different person to lawrence gosney or was it a typo? My post refers to the latter


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: stato_1 on December 15, 2011, 08:12:54 AM
Just re-read op.

Is lawrence gosling a different person to lawrence gosney or was it a typo? My post refers to the latter

Nah this is lawrence gosney hes on abt.


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: GreekStein on December 15, 2011, 08:14:01 AM
Then yeh I like a 3bet.


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: mulhuzz on December 15, 2011, 08:20:35 AM
Then yeh I like a 3bet.

what do you expect him to continue with given he's ip?

I imagine this deep he has basically 0 4bet range? If I'm wrong, what's his 4bet-range and if he 4bets, what's our plan?


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: BulldozerD on December 15, 2011, 08:24:21 AM
I'd actually consider 3bet/folding here vs Lawrence, he'll peel just about everything though I reckon, which will include alot of dominated hands.


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: GreekStein on December 15, 2011, 08:27:17 AM
I would never 3-bet fold vs him with ak, in a satellite or not.

He will peel a bunch and jam worse too just cos he thinks you're an over aggro young gun.


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: mulhuzz on December 15, 2011, 08:34:37 AM
I would never 3-bet fold vs him with ak, in a satellite or not.

He will peel a bunch and jam worse too just cos he thinks you're an over aggro young gun.

jamming? with 4bets 20k deep at 75/150?

let's say we make it 1100, you expect him to just put 20k in with worse? i don't know the guy from adam, maybe he would, but seems like he'd just peel everything he's raised with.

if we think he can defo jam worse, I prefer tossing 6k out there and making it look like a mistake. 'shit i thought that 5k chip was a 500', or something ;)


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: mulhuzz on December 15, 2011, 08:42:04 AM
side question: is doing something like that (the toss out the 'wrong' chip) bad etiquette/against the rules/morally bad?


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: GreekStein on December 15, 2011, 08:51:12 AM
Argh I didn't see we were both 20k deep! I thought lawrence was 10k deep.

Yeh I prob peel for deception and being oop etc but if I could cherry pick some guys I think I could induce to get that many bigs in vs my ak and still be in great shape, mr gosney would be in my top 2.


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: pleno1 on December 15, 2011, 09:55:11 AM
i 3b fold.


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: muckthenuts on December 15, 2011, 03:19:52 PM
Slam dunk 3b pre. Nobodys hand looks all that strong and you'll often still get one or two people putting additional chips in with a range way behind our hand with plenty left in stacks to manoevure post. Saying that AK = 55 is ridiculous btw

If Lawrence does 4bet evaluate but doubt i'd fold. Blockers and he plays weird.



Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: rfgqqabc on December 15, 2011, 03:33:59 PM
He does play weird, and def wouldn't give me any respect. At this point i had a lot more information about him then he had about me, because my dads played with him. I guess he saw me as competent and aggro and i just didn't want to 3b and fold, or 3b/call and him be laughing in my face, because he has minned a premium. Esp because he had the only two people on his left that might 3b, Skippy on this forum. Also, the shortish chinese gambler might put it in and i can reshove and get Gosney out.

6k thing is def dirty and something i would never do


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: EvilPie on December 15, 2011, 03:57:15 PM
3 bet's pretty bad against Lawrence from what I know.

If you 3 bet he'll peel any 2 and will give up on any board that contains an A or K because he'll put you on a big hand.

Even if he's got an A or K, himself unless he makes 2 pair he's not going to put too much more in the pot.

Peel pre definitely best to disguise the strength of your hand.



Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: outragous76 on December 15, 2011, 04:06:17 PM
3 bet's pretty bad against Lawrence


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Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: GreekStein on December 15, 2011, 04:10:28 PM
LOL what matt?

Lawrence gonna give up when an a or k hits?

If the flop comes a93 and he has 34 / 910 / ax / 1010 he isn't 'not putting much more in the pot' as you say.

Maybe I just played against him a few times when he was playing uber terrible.

In dtd monte carlo last time I busted him in like level 3 when he check raised  turn for like 4x pot after I'd checked back top pair on the flop having raised pre and him defended. I called with top pair, no kicker and held vs his flush draw and no overcard to my jack. Was only like 100 bigs he gave me there tho :)


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: EvilPie on December 15, 2011, 04:16:47 PM
Just what I've seen when I've played him that's all.

Maybe he mixes it up more than we know which makes it even tougher to play against him.

I know he's very unpredictable that's for sure.


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: George2Loose on December 15, 2011, 04:24:24 PM
3 bet smallish to take lead in pot cos he's not folding anything pre this deep


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: outragous76 on December 15, 2011, 04:29:37 PM
lol @ lawrence holding an A or K in this hand

maybe like a K7s or something

This deep Lawrence is just going to make you squirm post flop - just call and play the hand oop and for value


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: GreekStein on December 15, 2011, 04:34:30 PM
Why u nuthug him so much guy


Title: Re: Live Sat: DTD Monte Carlo
Post by: outragous76 on December 15, 2011, 04:36:39 PM
Why u nuthug him so much guy


im not, i think i could play against lawrence better than most ppl in this thread  - i have played with him alot

and 3 betting AK this deep OOP is going to be a losing play much of the time