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Title: Walk me through this
Post by: RED-DOG on December 15, 2011, 01:50:44 PM
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Villain has played quite a few pots aggressively in these early stages, usually betting 2/3 or full pot. He has only shown down once and that was against a short stack. He had AQ on a Q high flop. I have him down as a solid player, but of course I could be wrong.


Blinds 50/100. Villain opens from seat 6 for 285 from 6.5k in mid position.

I raise to 900 from 5.5k in seat 7 with  Ad Ahrt  all fold, villain calls.

Flop  8c 9c Kh

Villain bets 900.

OK so far?

How should we proceed?


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: celtic on December 15, 2011, 01:51:50 PM
Get it in.


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: paulpitchford on December 15, 2011, 03:01:13 PM
I don't often give first thoughts on PHA as I think there are better players here to do so. I've decided to think bollocks and reply anyway as this may help me long term rather than just reading other peoples thoughts. Celtic is obviously correct IMO in that we want to get it in. I think his 900 (~ half pot as apposed to 2/3 or pot) bet into just under 2k is a draw. I'm raising to get it in here.


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: GreekStein on December 15, 2011, 03:02:16 PM
Ya shove


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: RED-DOG on December 15, 2011, 03:09:14 PM
Hope someone disagrees soon....


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: h on December 15, 2011, 03:13:38 PM
click it back
he calls
fold when another club falls
(i would not do this stick it in)


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: cambridgealex on December 15, 2011, 03:26:15 PM
I assume you flat called Tom?

This is good because it massively underreps/disguises your hand and may mean villain value towns himself with Kx or bluffs/semibluffs off another barrel on the turn.

The problem with it on this board is that there's not many good turn cards that we're happy to see him barrelling. We don't like a K or club at all. We don't like a Q or a 7. we don't much like a J or T either. So that's about half the deck that's bad. These cards also may scare him from betting again.

By raising now you can also rep some draws, you don't always have to have a monster. Him donking also suggests to me he might be a bit of a fish as not many good players donk bet. So if you raise he won't realise quite how strong your hand is and will stack off with any Kx plus he's getting all his draws in.

For those reasons, I'd make it 2.1k and call a shove.


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: rfgqqabc on December 15, 2011, 03:37:07 PM
time down then make a small raise. 2.1k is puuurrrrrrrrfect


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: pleno1 on December 15, 2011, 03:42:29 PM
jam or call, dont raise imo looks super strong


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: muckthenuts on December 15, 2011, 03:50:32 PM
jam or call, dont raise imo looks super strong

Agree and I wanna call, we have very few draws in our range. Folding/jamming depending on the turn card. What site is this on?

If Red-dog pins him down as a solid player i'd be inclined to think in this format he could be a decent reg more often than not and isn't calling off flop with KQ.


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: RED-DOG on December 15, 2011, 04:20:52 PM
I flat call

The turn is the  Qc

He bets 900


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: George2Loose on December 15, 2011, 04:22:11 PM
I almost always flat here.


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: outragous76 on December 15, 2011, 04:30:07 PM
I flat call

The turn is the  Qc

He bets 900

nut worst card


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: pleno1 on December 15, 2011, 04:33:27 PM
fold


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: doubleup on December 15, 2011, 04:56:51 PM
I flat call

The turn is the  Qc

He bets 900

type in a preparatory "I'm never playing on this fkn rigged site again" in the chat box and push. 


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: EvilPie on December 15, 2011, 05:24:07 PM
Definitely raise flop but it depends how you've played your other hands.

Personally I'd bet pretty much every flop with pretty much every hand I've opened so I have to continue that with a strong holding.

If you're normally passive then flatting to continue that passive line is fine.

Turn is horrible. Just call and hope for an even horribler (cool word) river so you can get away.

If the river's a brick hope he doesn't bet too much because you're about to get value towned.


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: muckthenuts on December 15, 2011, 05:45:41 PM
Snap fold the turn yeah


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: MANTIS01 on December 15, 2011, 09:59:57 PM
When villain donks flop there's bout 3k chips in the pot and you have a 4,600 stack. So already roughly 2/3 of your stack is in the middle. The SPR in this hand means shoving is your only option esp because we have vulnerable hand on wet board. Raising not good. If you raise to 2.1k there is 5k in pot and you have half of that left in your stack. As your oppo I now know this early in the comp you either suicidal nutter or you have top of your range so you allow me to play perfectly. Calling is well greedy. You could use those 30bb's in the middle to better effect in lots of situations early doors rather than gambling on how unplayable this one turn card will be. Best of all shoving is simple cos now i don't know what you should do, sorry.


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: Boba Fett on December 15, 2011, 11:15:14 PM
If you're gonna fold turn when he barrells a scare card you should absolutely not be flatting flop.


Title: Re: Walk me through this
Post by: SuuPRlim on December 16, 2011, 06:34:28 PM
If you're gonna fold turn when he barrells a scare card you should absolutely not be flatting flop.

yup