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Title: D'oh! missclick
Post by: Pinchop73 on December 22, 2011, 12:18:36 AM
So this hand I felt played a part in the reason for my post.

PokerStars Game #72558532530: Tournament #552010723, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2011/12/21 23:03:41 WET [2011/12/21 18:03:41 ET]
Table '552010723 7' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: GGgrampGreed (7500 in chips)
Seat 2: mathawker (7650 in chips)
Seat 3: jANJKE (7370 in chips)
Seat 4: rivermanl (7535 in chips)
Seat 5: Dilizer (2710 in chips)
Seat 6: Ultraballs18 (5000 in chips)
Seat 7: KTheGreat1 (7470 in chips)
Seat 9: MystikalD (10085 in chips)
Dilizer: posts small blind 15
Ultraballs18: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ultraballs18 [Jd As]
KTheGreat1: folds
MystikalD: folds
GGgrampGreed: folds
mathawker: folds
jANJKE: folds
abelja9 is connected
rivermanl: raises 60 to 90
Dilizer: folds
Ultraballs18: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [9s Qs 9h]
Ultraballs18: checks
rivermanl: bets 79
Ultraballs18: calls 79
*** TURN *** [9s Qs 9h] [2c]
Ultraballs18: checks
rivermanl: checks
*** RIVER *** [9s Qs 9h 2c] [4s]
Ultraballs18: checks
rivermanl: bets 195
Ultraballs18: raises 270 to 465
rivermanl: folds


A few minutes after this hand, I see that I get dealt JJ's ftg.

I go to click the raise slider, but its as if the window is dead. All my tables had frozen. F#ck. Then in the mild panic of pressing every part of the screen I could to get us going again, the connection comes live and I've clicked call instead of the raising bar. FML!


PokerStars Game #72559132380: Tournament #552010723, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2011/12/21 23:14:47 WET [2011/12/21 18:14:47 ET]
Table '552010723 7' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: GGgrampGreed (9270 in chips)
Seat 2: mathawker (7600 in chips)
Seat 3: jANJKE (7190 in chips)
Seat 4: rivermanl (9706 in chips)
Seat 5: Dilizer (2860 in chips)
Seat 6: Ultraballs18 (5364 in chips)
Seat 7: KTheGreat1 (5700 in chips)
Seat 8: abelja9 (2165 in chips)
Seat 9: HunaMatata (2880 in chips)
rivermanl: posts small blind 20
Dilizer: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ultraballs18 [Jh Jc]
Ultraballs18: calls 40
KTheGreat1: folds
abelja9: raises 200 to 240
HunaMatata: folds
GGgrampGreed: folds
mathawker: folds
jANJKE: folds
rivermanl: raises 300 to 540
Dilizer: folds
Ultraballs18: raises 1360 to 1900
abelja9: folds
rivermanl: raises 7806 to 9706 and is all-in
Ultraballs18: calls 3464 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (4342) returned to rivermanl
*** FLOP *** [Qh 3h 9c]
*** TURN *** [Qh 3h 9c] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [Qh 3h 9c 9h] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rivermanl: shows [Ac Ah] (a flush, Ace high)
Ultraballs18: shows [Jh Jc] (a flush, Queen high)
rivermanl collected 11008 from pot

I had the or marked down as a non competent player having looked him up on opr, so I obv felt Mr.Haughton had him pined as such too. I felt rivermanl could be 3b/f a decent amount of the time over the top of a sqeezy lookiing raise over an utg limp, I felt his range in this spot vs this particular villain was wide enough for me to go ahead and 4b/c.

I decided I was going to be 4b/c because of the dynamic from the previous hand. I felt the utglimp>4b sqeeze sizing looked spazzy enough to make it look FOS (which I sigh guess it is? SIGH) which would widen Rivermanl's 5b shoving range enough to make calling nearly 100bb's off profitable.

Is this incredibly terrible reasoning? Was this really spewy this early on?

I tried to size my 4b for a go and go. Terribad?

Apart from the disaster at the start of the hand, where else did I f#ck up?

Who prefers small4b/f rather than calling in pos?


Title: Re: D'oh! missclick
Post by: Pinchop73 on December 22, 2011, 12:52:54 AM
CL in this now

pure diiiiirt lol

PokerStars Game #72564577663: Tournament #552010723, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (250/500) - 2011/12/22 1:19:52 WET [2011/12/21 20:19:52 ET]
Table '552010723 18' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: whereisdonny (13321 in chips)
Seat 2: Flush_Entity (12625 in chips)
Seat 3: Pghfan987 (6167 in chips)
Seat 4: Ultraballs18 (35631 in chips)
Seat 5: englezu (8905 in chips)
Seat 6: GuLuAr (17106 in chips)
Seat 7: 011PokerDr (6967 in chips)
Seat 8: rastafari898 (30114 in chips)
Seat 9: wugwugwugwug (29740 in chips)
whereisdonny: posts the ante 60
Flush_Entity: posts the ante 60
Pghfan987: posts the ante 60
Ultraballs18: posts the ante 60
englezu: posts the ante 60
GuLuAr: posts the ante 60
011PokerDr: posts the ante 60
rastafari898: posts the ante 60
wugwugwugwug: posts the ante 60
englezu: posts small blind 250
GuLuAr: posts big blind 500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ultraballs18 [2s Kh]
011PokerDr: folds
rastafari898: folds
wugwugwugwug: folds
whereisdonny: folds
Flush_Entity: folds
Pghfan987: folds
Ultraballs18: raises 500 to 1000
englezu: calls 750
GuLuAr: calls 500
*** FLOP *** [4h Ac As]
englezu: checks
GuLuAr: checks
Ultraballs18: checks
*** TURN *** [4h Ac As] [Ad]
englezu: checks
GuLuAr: bets 2000
Ultraballs18: calls 2000
englezu: calls 2000
*** RIVER *** [4h Ac As Ad] [Ah]
englezu: checks
GuLuAr: bets 3000
Ultraballs18: raises 29571 to 32571 and is all-in
englezu: folds
GuLuAr: calls 11046 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (18525) returned to Ultraballs18
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ultraballs18: shows [2s Kh] (four of a kind, Aces)
GuLuAr: shows [Qs 4s] (four of a kind, Aces - lower kicker)
Ultraballs18 collected 37632 from pot


Title: Re: D'oh! missclick
Post by: NigDawG on December 22, 2011, 02:51:44 AM
riverman isn't doing anything out of line at 20/40 level imo. that jj is huge spew


Title: Re: D'oh! missclick
Post by: pleno1 on December 22, 2011, 11:56:55 AM
huge spew, just raise and fold by the time it gets 4bet.


Title: Re: D'oh! missclick
Post by: Rupert on December 22, 2011, 07:22:55 PM
riverman isn't doing anything out of line at 20/40 level imo. that jj is huge spew

don't forget the AJ


Title: Re: D'oh! missclick
Post by: Royal Flush on December 22, 2011, 07:30:47 PM
Riverman is a nit, even if he was a lunatic its still spew that early.


Title: Re: D'oh! missclick
Post by: AlexMartin on December 22, 2011, 10:08:49 PM
the sizing is ridiculous tbh.



Title: Re: D'oh! missclick
Post by: action man on December 23, 2011, 12:56:58 PM
So this hand I felt played a part in the reason for my post.

PokerStars Game #72558532530: Tournament #552010723, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2011/12/21 23:03:41 WET [2011/12/21 18:03:41 ET]
Table '552010723 7' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: GGgrampGreed (7500 in chips)
Seat 2: mathawker (7650 in chips)
Seat 3: jANJKE (7370 in chips)
Seat 4: rivermanl (7535 in chips)
Seat 5: Dilizer (2710 in chips)
Seat 6: Ultraballs18 (5000 in chips)
Seat 7: KTheGreat1 (7470 in chips)
Seat 9: MystikalD (10085 in chips)
Dilizer: posts small blind 15
Ultraballs18: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ultraballs18 [Jd As]
KTheGreat1: folds
MystikalD: folds
GGgrampGreed: folds
mathawker: folds
jANJKE: folds
abelja9 is connected
rivermanl: raises 60 to 90
Dilizer: folds
Ultraballs18: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [9s Qs 9h]
Ultraballs18: checks
rivermanl: bets 79
Ultraballs18: calls 79
*** TURN *** [9s Qs 9h] [2c]
Ultraballs18: checks
rivermanl: checks
*** RIVER *** [9s Qs 9h 2c] [4s]
Ultraballs18: checks
rivermanl: bets 195
Ultraballs18: raises 270 to 465
rivermanl: folds


A few minutes after this hand, I see that I get dealt JJ's ftg.

I go to click the raise slider, but its as if the window is dead. All my tables had frozen. F#ck. Then in the mild panic of pressing every part of the screen I could to get us going again, the connection comes live and I've clicked call instead of the raising bar. FML!


PokerStars Game #72559132380: Tournament #552010723, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2011/12/21 23:14:47 WET [2011/12/21 18:14:47 ET]
Table '552010723 7' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: GGgrampGreed (9270 in chips)
Seat 2: mathawker (7600 in chips)
Seat 3: jANJKE (7190 in chips)
Seat 4: rivermanl (9706 in chips)
Seat 5: Dilizer (2860 in chips)
Seat 6: Ultraballs18 (5364 in chips)
Seat 7: KTheGreat1 (5700 in chips)
Seat 8: abelja9 (2165 in chips)
Seat 9: HunaMatata (2880 in chips)
rivermanl: posts small blind 20
Dilizer: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ultraballs18 [Jh Jc]
Ultraballs18: calls 40
KTheGreat1: folds
abelja9: raises 200 to 240
HunaMatata: folds
GGgrampGreed: folds
mathawker: folds
jANJKE: folds
rivermanl: raises 300 to 540
Dilizer: folds
Ultraballs18: raises 1360 to 1900
abelja9: folds
rivermanl: raises 7806 to 9706 and is all-in
Ultraballs18: calls 3464 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (4342) returned to rivermanl
*** FLOP *** [Qh 3h 9c]
*** TURN *** [Qh 3h 9c] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [Qh 3h 9c 9h] [2h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rivermanl: shows [Ac Ah] (a flush, Ace high)
Ultraballs18: shows [Jh Jc] (a flush, Queen high)
rivermanl collected 11008 from pot

I had the or marked down as a non competent player having looked him up on opr, so I obv felt Mr.Haughton had him pined as such too. I felt rivermanl could be 3b/f a decent amount of the time over the top of a sqeezy lookiing raise over an utg limp, I felt his range in this spot vs this particular villain was wide enough for me to go ahead and 4b/c.

I decided I was going to be 4b/c because of the dynamic from the previous hand. I felt the utglimp>4b sqeeze sizing looked spazzy enough to make it look FOS (which I sigh guess it is? SIGH) which would widen Rivermanl's 5b shoving range enough to make calling nearly 100bb's off profitable.

Is this incredibly terrible reasoning? Was this really spewy this early on?

I tried to size my 4b for a go and go. Terribad?

Apart from the disaster at the start of the hand, where else did I f#ck up?

Who prefers small4b/f rather than calling in pos?

riverman never folding after his 3bet fwiw
also you dont leave him any room to spew as he has no fold equity
its an awful play if im honest.


Title: Re: D'oh! missclick
Post by: action man on December 23, 2011, 12:58:59 PM
even if the hand was at 500/1k the size of the iso which still gets 3bet would make me fold here if i misclicked limped.


Title: Re: D'oh! missclick
Post by: SuuPRlim on December 23, 2011, 05:41:28 PM
yh riverman's 3b a guy who's 5x ISO'd a UTG limp from UTG3 with no antes, like the actual worst spot ever to 3bet light/even remotely thin for value. Its a clear clear fold.

this wont be true of everyone but Im pretty confident laurence wont have even AKsooted here hardly ever, or QQ even for that matter