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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16300956.stm


completely fair game imo

Wp the Manager.

When the keeper first looks round, there's a guy charging him 2 yards away. (and defo looking like he doesn't want to congratulate the keeper at that point) The first kick to the midriff is therefore entirely reasonable self defence.

The pitch invader is thereafter on the ground, posing no immediate danger and the stewards are closing in.  So at that point, all the additional kicks are just thuggery and he deserves a red card and disciplinary action thereafter.

I have no sympathy with the pitch invader btw, I don't care if the stewards took him out back and gave him his reward. 

But it isn't the keeper's job.

If the thug had a knife would it be alright to carry on kicking him?

I entirely agree with you Simon.

By the same token I don't think it's the ref's job to punish him for his thuggery, surely it's a police matter.

LOL


So fan has just ran onto the pitch to attacked you, you have been kicked and the guy has fallen over right infront of you, you have a split second to think about what you are going to do

Do you kick him and keep him on the ground as you dont know if he has any weapons

or

Stick to rules leave him on the ground let him get up and stab you

+1

The guy is clearly a bit mental if he's running on to the pitch to attack a player. I'd have booted him and not let him get up too.

Not saying it's right or wrong to keep booting the guy but imo the keeper shouldn't be sent off. Let the police or whoever deal with the aftermath.

Is it actually against the rules?  If so, red card ok imo.

Yes it is, but common sense when the keeper is under threat surely.

Inside the penalty area too so should it have been a pen.

Disappointed and ashamed of keeper's actions here. He is supposed to be a professional footballer. His second kick is blocked far too easy by drunk assailant lying prone on the floor. Dude needs to lift those knees and get them studs coming down vertically on chest/face of attacker.

Lol, that might just be your greatest ever post.  :)up

good point, useless ref not even knowing the basics,

level, obv

This red card is a lot more harsh imo:

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOd8Su40H0M

kinda like the burglar/homeowner stance and the Tony Martin incidence, im as right wing as you could possibly be in the latter situation. (i think its perfectly reasonable to shoot someone burgling you in cold blood and not lose a wink of sleep over it) In the first instance I don't think its callous to punch the guy in the head several times and the only problems with the kicks is that they didn't connect properly. Anyone who crosses the line (literally) into an arena they know they are forbidden from should face a reprimand. Only when the invader slipped out of consciousness would I feel any further attacks to be OTT.

But FIFA's rules mandate that any violence towards a fan is punished by a red card, so the keeper and manager can see why the red was given.

Not sure it was necessary in the second video though as he merely restrained the idiot rather than striking him.

In before the rest of the have-a-go's who claim they would happily kill any intruder who trespassed their doorstep. Shoot and then ask questions later. The Met needs more guys like you these days.

Disagree with this. 1st vid intruder looks a threat so is dealt with until stewards arrive. 2nd vid intruder is a clown and happily runs around for a while without being threatening and runs passed loads of people. Neither should be a red but definitely find the first more acceptable.

The difference is that other than restraining him he doesn't commit any violence towards the idiot.  If he'd followed it up with a swift punch on the nose and a headbutt (probably justified) then I can see the ref having no decision other than the red.  But helping the stewards do their job is hardly a red-card offence.

wouldnt be a have a go hero, would just be too scared not to, fight vs flight is very complex and dangerous.

Most do the third option (which is often overlooked, but is many an animals initial response to danger), which is freeze.

Too frightened but wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over shooting someone in cold blood.

yeh, weird isnt it.

Should read "one of the differences is" surely? I'd say the actions of the intruder also make them different.
Like I said I don't believe either are red cards. I imagine the rule was made for incidents like Cantona not for when you get attacked by a "fan"

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJUsxPeVllo
Another shocking red imo

Indeed

Yeah, I meant the major difference - but you're right, the 'intruders' seemed to have clearly different motives.

Page 118 of this:
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/lotg_en_55753.pdf



The word excessive is in there, which is why I don't think the second example is 'excessive', but can see why the ref thought the first one (with the kicks after the bloke is on the floor) could be deemed excessive.

I tried the 'freeze' option once while being confronted by a Neanderthal for accidentally chatting up his burd outside a nightclub.

I ended up with a huge fat lip. Afterwards, my mate asked "why didn't you duck? you daft bastard."

Dutch FA have rescinded the Red Card - and their Justice Minister has applauded the keeper. They seem quite sensible these Dutch... wonder why I had the impression they were bald & daft?????

aftertiming of the highest order

Thought that was the Scots?

;)

if a player fighting back is a red card then I have a plan

gonna ship in a non supporter every game who doesn't care about getting banned, wait til the oppo have made all their substitutions then get them to run on the pitch and square up to the keeper and get him sent off

we could have a whip round in the pub beforehand to pay them

that's gotta be worth a lot of points over the course of a season

Don't target a Liverpool forward though - they'll miss with their retaliation.

don't worry, the plan is to target keepers only, that's why we're going to wait til after all 3 subs have been made

Same goes for Reina then.  We have Suarez who can go in goal.

What's the plan if 3 aren't made or you're 3-0 down by the time they are? Surely targeting star player is 1st min is the +ve play?

we're terrible against 10 men, never seem to press home the advantage so I think we're going to benefit more by getting an outfield player in goal. it's not going to work every game because of the reasons you state but I think we'll pick up enough points to make it worthwhile

Going back to the first vid, I will explain my comments. 

I am usually fairly right wing on a lot of this stuff along the generic lines of struggling to be comfortable with criminals getting benefit from the protection of the law that they are happy to break when it suits their purpose."

In my teens/twenties I played my fair share of pub league football, trained full contact and also found myself in the occasional Saturday night 'bad spot'. 

During all of that, I echo the comment about "freeze" - most do, (including, to my enjoyment, many brown belts)  not many are truly comfortable when fists are flying and danger is present.  I have won just about every such single encounter, sometimes by up to about 50 yards. 

Had I been that keeper, the time I first becomes aware of the invader when that close charging me, I would have kicked him as hard as I possibly could.  If it did him internal organ damage, too bad.  However, at that point, he really isn't a danger.  He isn't looking to get up, he isn't looking to reach into his pocket.  I can either choose to watch him closely (maintaining a verbal commentary indicating what happens if he moves) for the few seconds it will take the stewards to get there or I can just run away.  I think he has ample opportunity to do either.  Just repeatedly kicking (and yes, with terrible technique for a footballer) a guy on the ground who isn't an immediate threat is not on.

I think adrenalin kicks in on these occasions. 

Speaking as someone who wouldn't run away from a confrontation if someone brings it to me they best be prepared for the biggest kicking of their lives.  I don't advocate going out and randomly attacking people, but having been in situations before were I have been attacked or its kicked off around me after you throw that first one its hard just to stop unless you know you have KO'd the perpetrator.

I was reading other day that an England fan who attacked a Welsh fan at the football was jailed other day for 3 years after the guy died, the difference with this is the England fan just attacked the other bloke for no reason and deserved that punishment plus more in my opinion. 

Dishing out a merciless beating or head kicking to anyone is beyond the pale for me - I aint no street fighting man.

But, a couple of 'righteous indignation' and lesson kicks to the body seems perfectly reasonable I think. Plus, if you're in a state of heightened anxiety from being attacked in what are very unusual circumstances, I think that's mitigation. Innocent of all charges

A great theory post, but in reality, it's never gonna happen that way. If someone attacks you, then its natural instinct to defend yourself, you simply don't get the guy on the floor and leave him. Just doesnt happen that way IRL.

I would say that most trained fighters would disable and disappear.

Oh, and stop using phrases that are interchangeable with car park terminology.

:)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16360934

Disable via knockout though.