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Title: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: WPIL on December 30, 2011, 06:57:30 PM
Big Stack has been very agro and bullying people off pots, only saw him show down a pair of twos so far although have only been on his table for 30 minutes or so

I have a comfortable stack


PokerStars Game #73021289945: Tournament #488410123, $10.00+$2.50+$1.00 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (250/500) - 2011/12/30 18:47:59 WET [2011/12/30 13:47:59 ET]
Table '488410123 40' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: nebo_blizko (19018 in chips)
Seat 2: APPW (35422 in chips)
Seat 3: pens28 (6558 in chips)
Seat 4: mrpacey (31117 in chips)
Seat 5: limpan113 (15841 in chips)
Seat 6: alex.twins (72206 in chips)
Seat 7: maoosalazar (15781 in chips)
Seat 8: HAZZZZA (10768 in chips)
Seat 9: Kuddel555 (22228 in chips)
nebo_blizko: posts the ante 60
APPW: posts the ante 60
pens28: posts the ante 60
mrpacey: posts the ante 60
limpan113: posts the ante 60
alex.twins: posts the ante 60
maoosalazar: posts the ante 60
HAZZZZA: posts the ante 60
Kuddel555: posts the ante 60
limpan113: posts small blind 250
alex.twins: posts big blind 500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to APPW [Jd As]
maoosalazar: folds
HAZZZZA: folds
Kuddel555: folds
nebo_blizko: folds
APPW: raises 500 to 1000
pens28: folds
mrpacey: calls 1000
limpan113: folds
alex.twins: calls 500
*** FLOP *** [Ts Td 5s]
alex.twins: checks
APPW: bets 1500
mrpacey: folds
alex.twins: raises 2250 to 3750
APPW: calls 2250
*** TURN *** [Ts Td 5s] [8h]
alex.twins: bets 4750
HERO?


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: Solaris on December 30, 2011, 07:01:04 PM
Would rather 3b/f the flop than flat oop to someone who is going to most likely barrel his entire range ott.

As played I sigh fold the turn.


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: JK on December 31, 2011, 12:53:24 AM
Would rather 3b/f the flop than flat oop to someone who is going to most likely barrel his entire range ott.

As played I sigh fold the turn.

For sure. All we achieve from this line is proving that he's aggro. We're never getting to showdown taking this line unless we wager all of our coins


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: chatban on December 31, 2011, 12:59:51 AM
I think the main problem is you rep absolutely nothing by c\r flop on that board. As played its a fold.


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: WPIL on December 31, 2011, 01:14:48 AM
Chat Ban - I didn't C/R Flop - I Lead (not Leeds) Out


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: chatban on December 31, 2011, 01:20:53 AM
Chat Ban - I didn't C/R Flop - I Lead (not Leeds) Out

my bad mate. Ok now HE reps nothing! But its such a sigh spot. It.s pretty crazy to jam but Stack sizes are really awkward. Annoying really. Does anybody jam here?


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: WPIL on December 31, 2011, 01:22:23 AM
I did Jam


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: WPIL on December 31, 2011, 01:23:18 AM
Pretty Bad?


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: chatban on December 31, 2011, 01:27:30 AM
From an ICM perspective probably. As you said its near the bubble. Pretty gross if he just turned a pair to his fd  and snaps off though!


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: AlexMartin on December 31, 2011, 02:11:54 AM
sometimes ur gonna get outplayed :(



Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: muckthenuts on December 31, 2011, 04:52:39 AM
I think the main problem is you rep absolutely nothing by c\r flop on that board. As played its a fold.

yep


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: outragous76 on December 31, 2011, 10:56:27 AM
You can't dance without your dancing shoes


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: SuuPRlim on December 31, 2011, 12:13:54 PM
just fold the flop. he wants to c/r and rep abso nothing fair enough let him do it we've got near the bottom of our range and in a spot where it's almost impossible to hero him down. Wait till we have KK and hero him down then.

Getting involved in this stuff is just pure ego driven spew imo, jamming the turn is also the nut-low line calling the turn and folding the river is actually better imo vs a generic villain at this stage of the donkament.

There is also a chance he just has a TEN. we opened a good hand and made a good Cbet, some hands just aren't meant to be if he wants to make a terrible bluff let him. I know it's tilting when people are obviously rolling there faces in the keyboard but we've just got to let it go sometimes ....


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: SuuPRlim on December 31, 2011, 12:14:24 PM
just fold the flop. he wants to c/r and rep abso nothing fair enough let him do it we've got near the bottom of our range and in a spot where it's almost impossible to hero him down. Wait till we have KK and hero him down then. once we've got some solid-ish reads on him we can start getting fancy

Getting involved in this stuff is just pure ego driven spew imo, jamming the turn is also the nut-low line calling the turn and folding the river is actually better imo vs a generic villain at this stage of the donkament.

There is also a chance he just has a TEN. we opened a good hand and made a good Cbet, some hands just aren't meant to be if he wants to make a terrible bluff let him. I know it's tilting when people are obviously rolling there faces in the keyboard but we've just got to let it go sometimes ....


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: cambridgealex on December 31, 2011, 12:36:41 PM
just fold the flop. he wants to c/r and rep abso nothing fair enough let him do it we've got near the bottom of our range and in a spot where it's almost impossible to hero him down. Wait till we have KK and hero him down then. once we've got some solid-ish reads on him we can start getting fancy

Getting involved in this stuff is just pure ego driven spew imo, jamming the turn is also the nut-low line calling the turn and folding the river is actually better imo vs a generic villain at this stage of the donkament.

There is also a chance he just has a TEN. we opened a good hand and made a good Cbet, some hands just aren't meant to be if he wants to make a terrible bluff let him. I know it's tilting when people are obviously rolling there faces in the keyboard but we've just got to let it go sometimes ....

be more arrogant?


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: SuuPRlim on December 31, 2011, 01:03:12 PM
I meant to edit not quote sigh


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: cambridgealex on December 31, 2011, 01:20:29 PM
I meant to edit not quote sigh

defo doing that next time i make a really good post


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: SuuPRlim on December 31, 2011, 01:26:29 PM
:D


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: outragous76 on December 31, 2011, 03:39:02 PM
if you arent prepared to go bust with a 1 pr type had vs this type of villain then you should just be folding this hand pre OOP as you will just get owned by the guy 100% of the time. Wait for the bubble to bust and let him have his fun IMO


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: WPIL on December 31, 2011, 04:51:01 PM
Hi SuuPRlim

Could you expand/explain this

Getting involved in this stuff is just pure ego driven spew imo, jamming the turn is also the nut-low line calling the turn and folding the river is actually better imo vs a generic villain at this stage of the donkament.

thanks


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: MANTIS01 on January 01, 2012, 11:41:45 AM
With good chips and lots of exploitable spots I wouldn't go to war vs this player with no hand. Your oppo has been very aggro and is bullying people off pots and has the chips and the board to bully you off this one. You don't have to try and win every hand and you don't have to c-bet every flop. Think I would check flop with this player involved but bet it vs two shorter stacks. Don't mind losing the odd k to this villain because he will come after my weak ass when I have it.


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: SuuPRlim on January 01, 2012, 12:10:42 PM
Hi SuuPRlim

Could you expand/explain this

Getting involved in this stuff is just pure ego driven spew imo, jamming the turn is also the nut-low line calling the turn and folding the river is actually better imo vs a generic villain at this stage of the donkament.

thanks

we're jamming a lot of chips to exclusively fold out bluffs and prolly drawing dead when we get the money in, you could call, keeping your range full of bluff catchers and he might be dissuaded from betting the river again as a bluff as we win the hand at a showdown, we don't risk our stack this way. Personally I don't think either line is as good as just folding the flop tho :P

Happy New Year


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: stato_1 on January 01, 2012, 12:37:09 PM
rolling there faces in the keyboard


brilliant


Title: Re: Dancing with the Big Stack nearing the Bubble
Post by: WPIL on January 01, 2012, 12:56:34 PM
Thanks and Happy New Year to you and PHA