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Title: 55r hand Post by: action man on January 03, 2012, 10:35:25 AM So were like 10 off the money in the 50r, not too much history with the villain although he's been pretty active, and I know he is a reg. My open on the Sb is a bit smaller than norm because im trying to size it to get the 4bet jam through if he 3bets to like 6k ish and have more FE,
on the turn i figure all floats must bet, and all made hands must, he obv has some kind of showdown value. On the turn im just trying to let floats/worst pairs bet, then depending on his bet size c/c c/j more likely c/c turn c/c riv unless we improve. PokerStars Hand #73187714699: Tournament #554010591, $50+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (500/1000) - 2012/01/03 0:23:43 WET [2012/01/02 19:23:43 ET] Table '554010591 33' 9-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: Ihaz2cardz (87367 in chips) Seat 2: lubos1980cz (15908 in chips) Seat 3: hob111111 (71956 in chips) Seat 4: dejwiz (12948 in chips) Seat 5: Covet (32190 in chips) is sitting out Seat 6: ThEcLaiMEer (31006 in chips) Seat 7: VyruAlus (62752 in chips) Seat 8: Ninco (35470 in chips) Seat 9: sideshowgil (11147 in chips) Ihaz2cardz: posts the ante 100 lubos1980cz: posts the ante 100 hob111111: posts the ante 100 dejwiz: posts the ante 100 Covet: posts the ante 100 ThEcLaiMEer: posts the ante 100 VyruAlus: posts the ante 100 Ninco: posts the ante 100 sideshowgil: posts the ante 100 ThEcLaiMEer: posts small blind 500 VyruAlus: posts big blind 1000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to ThEcLaiMEer [Tc Kc] Ninco: folds sideshowgil: folds Ihaz2cardz: folds lubos1980cz: folds hob111111: folds dejwiz: folds Covet: folds ThEcLaiMEer: raises 1350 to 2350 VyruAlus: calls 1350 *** FLOP *** [9c Th 2c] ThEcLaiMEer: bets 3025 VyruAlus: calls 3025 *** TURN *** [9c Th 2c] [Js] ThEcLaiMEer: checks VyruAlus: checks *** RIVER *** [9c Th 2c Js] [5h] ThEcLaiMEer: bets 6850 VyruAlus: raises 25350 to 32200 ThEcLaiMEer Title: Re: 55r hand Post by: outragous76 on January 03, 2012, 10:43:51 AM Ew! Looks so much like a bubble shove I think I'm puke calling but I hate my life!
Has the villain shown any aggro tendencies? Would he 3 bet kq pre (surely) Pretty sure he bets his 2 pr hands on turn Therefore all you lose to is a weird J which pot controlled turn and wanted to jam river? Kinda weird. On balance of above I call Title: Re: 55r hand Post by: SuuPRlim on January 03, 2012, 12:19:25 PM what a weird spot he's repping like completely nothing I wonder if he's just somehow binked like Jc 5c or 55 or something always feels like when people are doing this they've managed to find it ina spot where they shouldn't have it...
this might not work in the tournament dynamic but once I'd taken the line of checking the turn I'd be check/calling the river always. Title: Re: 55r hand Post by: outragous76 on January 03, 2012, 12:21:11 PM what a weird spot he's repping like completely nothing I wonder if he's just somehow binked like Jc 5c or 55 or something always feels like when people are doing this they've managed to find it ina spot where they shouldn't have it... this might not work in the tournament dynamic but once I'd taken the line of checking the turn I'd be check/calling the river always. that trigg even says it was his plan, why did you change? Title: Re: 55r hand Post by: action man on January 03, 2012, 01:45:19 PM well once he checked back the turn i figure his hand is almost always has showdown value and that mine is beating it a load. I have to bet the river, it goes c/c too many times if i check, and i lose value
Title: Re: 55r hand Post by: action man on January 03, 2012, 01:51:48 PM what a weird spot he's repping like completely nothing I wonder if he's just somehow binked like Jc 5c or 55 or something always feels like when people are doing this they've managed to find it ina spot where they shouldn't have it... this might not work in the tournament dynamic but once I'd taken the line of checking the turn I'd be check/calling the river always. that trigg even says it was his plan, why did you change? it was my plan to check/call check call, i didnt say that i was checking river if he checked back Title: Re: 55r hand Post by: Whollyflush on January 03, 2012, 02:09:53 PM seems like a fold. He mite play 9J/TJ like this, also he might check back an 87/KQ some non % of the time.
Title: Re: 55r hand Post by: Pugwashed on January 03, 2012, 03:25:38 PM As you probably c/f this flop when you brick completely it looks like you have Tx so often when you go cbet flop, check turn so its a bad spot for him to check back anything nutted on the turn. When your hand is so face up is it possible he's turning 9x into a bluff? 55 seems unlikely as he probably get this in pre. The only 2 pair combos he reps are 5x and how many of these is he calling preflop?
I probably just call it off, especially when this feels like pretty much the top of your range. Also, I probably c/r flop most of the time with this hand here. Its a spot where I'd c/f a ton and c/r seems like the easiest way to stack worse Tx hands Title: Re: 55r hand Post by: MANTIS01 on January 03, 2012, 06:23:18 PM well once he checked back the turn i figure his hand is almost always has showdown value and that mine is beating it a load. I have to bet the river, it goes c/c too many times if i check, and i lose value Is pursuit of max value essential for you in this spot? You might lose about 6bb's of value which is obv even less effective bb's but you don't get tasked with this sort of decision. The specific dynamic of the hand at this point in comp make me think losing a few bb's in value isn't horrible. Title: Re: 55r hand Post by: SuuPRlim on January 03, 2012, 07:24:42 PM well once he checked back the turn i figure his hand is almost always has showdown value and that mine is beating it a load. I have to bet the river, it goes c/c too many times if i check, and i lose value Is pursuit of max value essential for you in this spot? You might lose about 6bb's of value which is obv even less effective bb's but you don't get tasked with this sort of decision. The specific dynamic of the hand at this point in comp make me think losing a few bb's in value isn't horrible. the reason I want to c/call here is imo he MUST fold 9x's when we bet (if he's good) and he will feel he pretty much has to Vbet Tx and MIGHT even vbet A9 or K9 (these wouldn't be great Vbets imo) but certainly doesn't have to call every Tx. ***this is a tourney though + tourney regs love make stupid calls so he prolly would call K9 otr lol - im sure he shouldnt though*** He will think your range is "capped" on the turn but this is a bad assumption vs a thinking reg imo. Title: Re: 55r hand Post by: outragous76 on January 03, 2012, 07:30:30 PM bubble dynamic affects the thnking in this hand for villains range
Title: Re: 55r hand Post by: Pinchop73 on January 04, 2012, 11:03:40 AM Snapping this. Nice inducer.
Such a nice shipping spot with atc for villain bvb. Very very few regs are actually willing to call it off with marginal holdings in this spot. Prefer to c/c tho. Title: Re: 55r hand Post by: Skgv on January 04, 2012, 03:35:47 PM Probaly would call if it was online an probaly even live if i didnt think it through but after reading what everyone has said an analyizing it it looks like a FOLD now. but cant really figure out why i should say that but maybe another 5 week holiday needed !
Title: Re: 55r hand Post by: 810ofclubs on January 04, 2012, 08:33:20 PM happy fold trigger :)
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