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Title: Should I Call or Fold? Post by: Eso Kral on January 09, 2012, 02:04:52 PM DTD £500
Blinds 300/600/50 I have a more active image in the past 2 levels as the antes have kicked in and have 4b folded one orbit previously to the same villain when the random on the table 4x opens the co with the villain 3betting the btn and we 4b from the sb with Jh Kh but fold to his 5b, imo Villain 1 is fairly solid and everyone on the table knows that villain 2 in this hand is average to say the least due to bet sizing and shown down hands with villain 2 having raised and called a 4bet with A10o for 60% of his stack the orbit previously. Starting stacks are We 24600 Villain 1 49000 Villain 2 12500 We open to 1600 utg with Ad Kd and get flatted in mp, it folds to Villain 2 in sb who jams and Villain 1 counts out a 4bet to 30k obv setting me in, I still have 23k if I fold here which is not tez but should I lean more towards the call as I know that Villain 1 knows that V2 will jam wide here? Am I over analysing this and is it a snap call? Title: Re: Should I Call or Fold? Post by: StuartHopkin on January 09, 2012, 02:07:55 PM Snap, don't think its even close personally
Title: Re: Should I Call or Fold? Post by: outragous76 on January 09, 2012, 02:08:37 PM There are reasons to fold this in a live setting (usually very villain dependant) - but given your image Im wagering all my discs
Title: Re: Should I Call or Fold? Post by: George2Loose on January 09, 2012, 02:33:55 PM Ur 4 bet with kj sounds really spewy. Not folding this
Title: Re: Should I Call or Fold? Post by: Eso Kral on January 09, 2012, 05:07:50 PM Ur 4 bet with kj sounds really spewy. Not folding this Yh it was very spot and Villain dep but he had 3b the guy 5-6times in first 2hours and this was the only time I had made the move so although spewy felt with my image I had a high% chance of getting it through it just happened that he had AK! Jamie Dale on my table said he calls all day Ben Vinson said he does not like it and finds a fold Title: Re: Should I Call or Fold? Post by: 810ofclubs on January 09, 2012, 05:09:53 PM Call
Title: Re: Should I Call or Fold? Post by: cambridgealex on January 09, 2012, 05:23:11 PM Ur 4 bet with kj sounds really spewy. Not folding this Yh it was very spot and Villain dep but he had 3b the guy 5-6times in first 2hours and this was the only time I had made the move so although spewy felt with my image I had a high% chance of getting it through it just happened that he had AK! they always have it though the next time. having said that, you're just bald enough for this to get through enough I reckon :P Title: Re: Should I Call or Fold? Post by: Eso Kral on January 09, 2012, 05:25:31 PM Ur 4 bet with kj sounds really spewy. Not folding this Yh it was very spot and Villain dep but he had 3b the guy 5-6times in first 2hours and this was the only time I had made the move so although spewy felt with my image I had a high% chance of getting it through it just happened that he had AK! they always have it though the next time. having said that, you're just bald enough for this to get through enough I reckon :P Title: Re: Should I Call or Fold? Post by: cambridgealex on January 09, 2012, 05:27:57 PM Ur 4 bet with kj sounds really spewy. Not folding this Yh it was very spot and Villain dep but he had 3b the guy 5-6times in first 2hours and this was the only time I had made the move so although spewy felt with my image I had a high% chance of getting it through it just happened that he had AK! they always have it though the next time. having said that, you're just bald enough for this to get through enough I reckon :P bald = old Title: Re: Should I Call or Fold? Post by: mulhuzz on January 10, 2012, 01:51:04 AM 1. always listen to Jamie Dale.
2. call. agree with guy that there are spots where a fold can be ok but your image should mean this ain't one of them! Title: Re: Should I Call or Fold? Post by: Eso Kral on January 10, 2012, 11:25:07 AM What kinda ranges are we assigning to the villians here? Think Villain 1's range can be wider as he knows Villain 2 is the value and is prob as wide as 77+, AJo+Do u reckon: Villian 1: TT+,AKs Villian 2: 88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AJo+,KQo That sound about fair?? Villain 2 55+ and rest of your range seems fair Title: Re: Should I Call or Fold? Post by: Eso Kral on January 10, 2012, 11:27:53 AM FWIW I was never folding I just wanted to make sure that it was the right decision and that peeps didn't say its a fold with circa 20bb's back.
Title: Re: Should I Call or Fold? Post by: Eso Kral on January 10, 2012, 01:35:53 PM What kinda ranges are we assigning to the villians here? Think Villain 1's range can be wider as he knows Villain 2 is the value and is prob as wide as 77+, AJo+Do u reckon: Villian 1: TT+,AKs Villian 2: 88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AJo+,KQo That sound about fair?? Villain 2 55+ and rest of your range seems fair Yeah but surely he is not so much worried about the Villain 2, but more so about yourself (and to a lesser extent your MP caller)??? |