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Early in the 500  100-200

utg + 1 young Chinese guy bit aggy opens 600.. i have AQ HH OTB call...( i don't see at this early stage with position i need to start inflating pots unnecessarily .  SB comes along. SB i have played with since the start..fairly face up bit of a station ( limped utg with q 8 off and called a big raise op ) and has trouble letting go of 1 pair.

flop Q 4 5... 2 clubs... Sb checks Chinese guy as expected follows through for 1100..i flat looking for a bit of value on the turn from his aggression... SB suddenly makes it 6k..Chinese guy folds....

It pretty much feels like a flush draw CR..... if i call the 6k i have about 23K him 18K...

If i flat the pot is now circa 15k with turn and river to come... if he fires bullet 2 on the turn then what... ?

I though about jamming the flop to put the pressure on him and make him pay for the draw..but I had the feeling he was the sort to call it off and is getting tptk into a 250 BB fight really optimal here at this level when he could possibly have bottom set he was protecting?

So how to proceed v the CR and thereafter ?

Call and evaluate turn.

Aa described jam

Seems a pretty trivial fold to me.

Unless you're confident of your flush draw read of course in which case jam.

Don't know why you'd think that although you do play a lot in Luton.

Arent we losing value from most TP hands by doing this? Also FD is getting 2/1 on call. Assumimg he has one over hes getting teh price. 

Am I wrong in flatting here?

ok.. so everyone choosing a different approach..thoughts behind answers please ...

It's level 3. You've probably played about 6 orbits. Your reads can't be that strong.

You're in a deep stacked comp with lot's of fish.

Oppo either has a flush draw or a set. You're either slightly ahead or drawing dead.

I hate calling to re-evaluate. It's way too expensive. I can't see a check/raiser suddenly going all passive and giving you a cheap showdown. More likely he's firing another 10k on any turn and jamming the river.

Looks like a spot to just let it go and have a little cry to yourself.

Smile, breathe and fold

yup. if we fold and he has Ac Xc or KQ its tilting but not the end of the world. If we bust out here we've made a big equity mistake.

Jamming is joke spew

So we fold aces here?

yh, well he is going to show us 44 55 and  Ac 3c a pretty high % of the time isnt he? face up, bit of a station, been limp calling, do we think he's now abandoned his passive "cally" strategy and has started c/r 6d 7h here or attempting some lunatic zero equity bluff? pretty simple fold imo

I spose you've latched onto the "bit of a station" bit whereas I've gone with "Reluctant to let go of one pair" and "feels like a flush draw"

reluctant to let go of one pair prolly isn't a c/r, but do people really wanna get the lot in with Kc Tc here at this stage of a tourney? idk just feels like his range is sets which he always c/r's and flush draws which he sometimes c/r's and our equity is pretty poor vs that range imo. If you think he's spazzing out with something shit then defo get it in, but I can't see anything in the OP to suggest that he is (not he defo isnt) just seems he prolly has it, and if he doesn't barely matters too much we got loads of chips

The difference is villain limp calls Q-8 and is described as a station so seems passive rather than aggro in not letting go of pairs. Here he's bringing the heat with a big raise so no evidence this is a single pair hand. I think we're being asked to play for stacks with one pair and I don't like that this early. More inclined to think villain has set than fd as well.

Agree with this and everything dave has said.

Think people massively underestimate a passive station's hand range when they suddenly get super aggressive.

Just a rule of thumb when I play any hands, when a passive player becomes aggressive and I don't have the nuts, 90% of the time I fold...

Thanks for the good insights guys.... at the time it was all a bit surreal this guy suddenly taking off..

For the record I folded..   i asked the question as i felt at the time it was weak play on my part although its not my natural game to plough into a 250bb pot with one pair.... but my conclusion was I had 28k at 100-200 in a well structured decent clock tourney and the bottom of the villains range was my best option unless he was suddenly spazzing with KQ..

I think you made a very good decision.

Hopefully we're 3 betting aces pre thus the whole thing goes very differently.