Title: KK early on Post by: sm00035 on January 13, 2012, 07:50:39 PM Been at the table at 45 mins, have been playing pretty tight.
At 50/100 young guy opens the co playing 27k of a 30k starting stack (was a little late so hadn't seen how he had lost them) to 250 at 50/100. Button flats, I raise to 1050 from the sb with KK (everyone else is playing ~30k), Priyan De Mel now makes it 2750 from the bb, original raiser makes it 6600, button folds now me..... As far as I am aware I am an unknown to the guy in the co. I know Priyan pretty well on a personal level but have never played with him, I would expect he perceives me to be quite aggro. At this stage though (was the WPT Ireland with NO re-entries), is this a spot that is even difficult to play? Title: Re: KK early on Post by: George2Loose on January 13, 2012, 07:52:49 PM I do a fold.
Title: Re: KK early on Post by: DMorgan on January 13, 2012, 08:12:03 PM Seems very unlikely that everyones decided to just spaz out against each other in the first level of a WPT, just fold and tell people you had AJ
Title: Re: KK early on Post by: rbolt2 on January 13, 2012, 11:44:22 PM really fold kk pre? you don;t know he has aces, maybe its qq
Title: Re: KK early on Post by: JK on January 13, 2012, 11:50:18 PM Yeah I do a fold here. One of those clean cut spots where you can fold it and be happy without seeing the cards
Title: Re: KK early on Post by: outragous76 on January 13, 2012, 11:51:35 PM NEVER TELL A SOUL THOU!
And definately dont post the hand on a forum :P Title: Re: KK early on Post by: rfgqqabc on January 14, 2012, 12:12:00 AM I folded KK pre once, and it was wrong. Still scarred tbh, especially because i never folded toppest pair before this
Title: Re: KK early on Post by: EvilPie on January 14, 2012, 12:55:48 AM Raise less.
Fold now. Go to the bar for a little drink and a cry. Title: Re: KK early on Post by: BAM on January 14, 2012, 01:29:06 AM I'd prefer the call and fold in the dark option
Title: Re: KK early on Post by: JK on January 14, 2012, 09:18:01 AM I'd prefer the call and fold in the dark option Why? Your drawing dead? XD Title: Re: KK early on Post by: SuuPRlim on January 14, 2012, 10:20:02 AM I think not 3betting is the best play at this stage of the tourny
Title: Re: KK early on Post by: skolsuper on January 14, 2012, 12:50:44 PM I think not 3betting is the best play at this stage of the tourny Why? He found out where he was... Title: Re: KK early on Post by: mrmacacan on January 14, 2012, 01:56:16 PM I think not 3betting is the best play at this stage of the tourny Why? He found out where he was... Think he found out where he might be. I fold here. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) Title: Re: KK early on Post by: mrmacacan on January 14, 2012, 01:57:59 PM Never agree with losing chips to "find out where you are".
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) Title: Re: KK early on Post by: sm00035 on January 14, 2012, 02:50:07 PM I think not 3betting is the best play at this stage of the tourny Why? He found out where he was... GFY!!!!!!!!!!!! FWIW, I did think about not 3betting. Problem is that if I don't 3bet here and I get to showdown, certain players will see I haven't 3bet KK (even though from sb) and so none of my 3/4/5 bets are getting ANY respect. Title: Re: KK early on Post by: sm00035 on January 14, 2012, 02:57:06 PM Raise less. Fold now. Go to the bar for a little drink and a cry. Don't really agree with this, if I 3bet less I prefer not 3betting at all. Making it ~800 is going to make it impossible to play post, resulting in me probably losing the hand a lot of the time against good aggro players. Title: Re: KK early on Post by: muckthenuts on January 14, 2012, 04:13:36 PM I think not 3betting is the best play at this stage of the tourny Can you go into more detail on the merits of this? Title: Re: KK early on Post by: DMorgan on January 14, 2012, 04:18:26 PM and so none of my 3/4/5 bets are getting ANY respect. I bet that doesn't happen very often :P Title: Re: KK early on Post by: cambridgealex on January 14, 2012, 04:19:12 PM I think not 3betting is the best play at this stage of the tourny Can you go into more detail on the merits of this? +1 Title: Re: KK early on Post by: mulhuzz on January 14, 2012, 04:30:58 PM early in tournament I often only three bet from the blinds and just call a ton in position because players are bad/go broke with one pair/etc.
would be interested to hear why you'd just call here pre as well and then what flops you donk, c-c, c-r or c/f Title: Re: KK early on Post by: cambridgealex on January 14, 2012, 04:34:16 PM early in tournament I often only three bet from the blinds and just call a ton in position because players are bad/go broke with one pair/etc. would be interested to hear why you'd just call here pre as well and then what flops you donk, c-c, c-r or c/f 3betting from the blinds early in tournaments is pretty tez, i guess that's why you have to flat the kk too Title: Re: KK early on Post by: sm00035 on January 14, 2012, 04:40:17 PM early in tournament I often only three bet from the blinds and just call a ton in position because players are bad/go broke with one pair/etc. would be interested to hear why you'd just call here pre as well and then what flops you donk, c-c, c-r or c/f Personally I am the complete opposite. If I think a player is particularly bad I will 3bet oop. On the whole, when starting a hand 300bb deep, I think that 3betting oop more often then not leads to winning a small pot or losing a big one. You aren't going to be 3betting 99 at this stage, so it makes incredibly easy for the villain to play almost perfectly against you post. Title: Re: KK early on Post by: pleno1 on January 14, 2012, 05:27:49 PM lol wtf is everybody on drugs. Incase you arent aware this is sammy fkn mac and super famous for spinning up stacks in live comps and getting lots of bigs in with 6 high.
If you work hard on getting this image not 3betting kk is just plain bad. I think the fact u know priyan on a personal level and he is aware of ur image is enough to 3bet not taking into account people have seen u on ukipt and blonde updates and probably think ur spewy. If its only pryian 4betting im more than happy to cib and snap fast. Once the other guy gets aggro too just make a live soul read and flip a coin in ur head. Sizing is fine/good/standard too. Title: Re: KK early on Post by: pleno1 on January 14, 2012, 05:30:00 PM also just because we got 3bet and contemplating a fold doesnt mean we were 3betting to see where we were. Its a live comp and were getting 5bet, people peel insanely wide and even if it wasnt the plan 3betting and folding to more aggresion is perfectly fine and not in any way shape or form an information raise. The squeeze pre was purely for value.
Title: Re: KK early on Post by: DMorgan on January 14, 2012, 05:39:47 PM Pleno flipping his lid itt
<3 Title: Re: KK early on Post by: SuuPRlim on January 15, 2012, 12:31:53 AM I think not 3betting is the best play at this stage of the tourny Can you go into more detail on the merits of this? +1 Don't see a huge amount of point to 3betting personally, we're OOP with very deep stacks and a face up range with (assumed) ZERO information on our oppo's, we're hardly ever going to be playing for stacks so building the pot isn't particularly important but chip preservation is. Plus the added factor of a really disguised hand and a spot where If we like the board texture by the turn/river we're going to be able to value bet our hand really well. Title: Re: KK early on Post by: SuuPRlim on January 15, 2012, 01:43:53 AM oh this is Sam Mac? Hey derrr Sammy :)
wow this is gross cos you defo should 3bet. Meh I think I'd just go with it here, can;t deicde if flatting the 4bet and c/r getting it in on most flops or c/c c/j depending on the SPR (cba re-reading OP) or if you should just small 5/call prolly just flat the 4bet and stack off as with your reputation that is prolly the line you'll get least respect for. Title: Re: KK early on Post by: NigDawG on January 15, 2012, 04:21:35 AM given positions and available information and holding i would not fold here
Title: Re: KK early on Post by: NigDawG on January 15, 2012, 04:29:51 AM probably correct for a lot of people to fold tho. just not you, or i imo
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