Title: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: nirvana on January 22, 2012, 05:39:06 PM This chap looks the real deal to me. I'd be picking him ahead of Walcott already.
Why do so many managers hold these extreme talents back ? Is there really any good reason, love to know what you guys who've dabbled at decent levels think. Really do think if you're good enough you're old enough. On a separate note, Rosicky looked decent again today, wish he'd try every week. Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: claypole on January 22, 2012, 05:42:36 PM I agree - that is it
Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: George2Loose on January 22, 2012, 05:45:09 PM Yeh looks good. Should be playing
Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: GreekStein on January 22, 2012, 05:47:20 PM He looked frickin awesome. His first touch for the arsenal goal was excellent.
Walcott should be playing in the championship! Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: outragous76 on January 22, 2012, 05:48:07 PM I tweeted the same. I held off saying should he stay at arsenal. But should he?
Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: nirvana on January 22, 2012, 05:57:55 PM I tweeted the same. I held off saying should he stay at arsenal. But should he? Obv I'd hate him to leave but must be tempting for him. Trouble is, he prob wouldn't find a place in one of the top 4 sides at the moment and beneath Arsenal as the probable 5th best, none of the options are very attractive I would have thought. He'd be great somewhere like Swansea but money might be an issue I guess. Anyway, so he's pulled off for the cut-out Arshavin and they score again. Also, would rather see someone like Frimpong playing full back than one of the centre halves. I don't think I could ever join the 'Wenger out' school and I don't actually care whether we win every week. Our overall standards though, are getting poorer and poorer and the one redeeming feature of all his teams have been how well they've played the game. Taking that away is a bit painful. Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: Karabiner on January 22, 2012, 06:06:11 PM He looked frickin awesome. His first touch for the arsenal goal was excellent. Walcott should be playing in the championship! We'll sell him to Kenny for £25M in the summer hopefully. Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: GreekStein on January 22, 2012, 06:08:48 PM He looked frickin awesome. His first touch for the arsenal goal was excellent. Walcott should be playing in the championship! We'll sell him to Kenny for £25M in the summer hopefully. The idiot they call AVB will probably make a rival offer Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: The Baron on January 22, 2012, 06:22:48 PM Looked really good today. Had this convo on msn through the game about how he's miles better than Walcott.
Haha I wish Ralph! Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: Chompy on January 22, 2012, 06:37:06 PM Still struggling to come to terms with Frimpong being shipped off to Wolves if I'm being honest.
Wenger out! Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: TightEnd on January 22, 2012, 06:47:04 PM Wenger on Ox off: “He started to fatigue. I’m 30 years in the job, I've made 50,000 substitutions, I don’t have to explain every decision'
Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: Karabiner on January 22, 2012, 06:49:19 PM Looked really good today. Had this convo on msn through the game about how he's miles better than Walcott. Haha I wish Ralph! You do realise we're talking about Walcott here Aaron. Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: nirvana on January 22, 2012, 06:59:28 PM Wenger on Ox off: “He started to fatigue. I’m 30 years in the job, I've made 50,000 substitutions, I don’t have to explain every decision' I wonder when Arshavin starts to unfatigue Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: Solaris on January 22, 2012, 07:23:26 PM Arshavin, Park and Chamakh are dog shit. Theo thinks he's a lot better than he actually is, Djourou isn't a full-back (not sure he's a football either tbf) and Vermaelen isn't really a left-back either.
I could go on and on suffice to say that the team of 2004 must cry themselves to sleep watching this shit. Sort it out Wenger. Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: Karabiner on January 22, 2012, 09:37:18 PM Arshavin, Park and Chamakh are dog shit. Theo thinks he's a lot better than he actually is, Djourou isn't a full-back (not sure he's a football either tbf) and Vermaelen isn't really a left-back either. I could go on and on suffice to say that the team of 2004 must cry themselves to sleep watching this shit. Sort it out Wenger. I don't think that healing our four specialist full-backs is really part of his remit. Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: Acidmouse on January 22, 2012, 09:44:03 PM Oxlade played well in other cup games? or are we basing him solely on today?
Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: nirvana on January 22, 2012, 10:52:28 PM Oxlade played well in other cup games? or are we basing him solely on today? I think he has played very well in the few games I've seen of him. It's more than just the performance though. Hard to explain exactly but he just looks totally comfortable at prem league level. He looks to have all the attributes to be successful - quick, skilful, confident and strong - above all, very composed. Not really sticking my neck out here to say I think he will go on to be very decent class at England level Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: buzzharvey22 on January 22, 2012, 11:18:06 PM the first 15 minutes today i think over hit 3 pretty simple passes by about yard. and shoot from inside the box and put it about a mile wide. Shows how much of a pure punt Sven made in 2006
Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: nirvana on January 23, 2012, 06:54:56 AM This chap looks the real deal to me. I'd be picking him ahead of Walcott already. Why do so many managers hold these extreme talents back ? Is there really any good reason, love to know what you guys who've dabbled at decent levels think. Really do think if you're good enough you're old enough. Wenger on Ox off: “He started to fatigue. I’m 30 years in the job, I've made 50,000 substitutions, I don’t have to explain every decision' I think Wenger is absolutely right. So many of our 'next superstars' are burnt out by the time they are 24 or their knees are gone. The guy is 18, his body is still maturing and growing. Putting it under too much stress too early is known to be bad for development and longevity. Off the top of my head I can't think of any burnt out superstars at 24, where the cause was playing more than 2 games in 20 Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: ACE2M on January 23, 2012, 07:22:32 AM Oxlade played well in other cup games? or are we basing him solely on today? I think he has played very well in the few games I've seen of him. It's more than just the performance though. Hard to explain exactly but he just looks totally comfortable at prem league level. He looks to have all the attributes to be successful - quick, skilful, confident and strong - above all, very composed. Not really sticking my neck out here to say I think he will go on to be very decent class at England level exactly like walcott did when he first appeared on the scene? Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: nirvana on January 23, 2012, 06:04:24 PM OK 24 probs a bit of an exaggeration, but Owen has never fulfilled his true potential...Gerrard very nearly came unstuck at a young age (and lets face it, he still picks up more than an average number of strains etc)...Giggs had well documented hamstring problems early on (although amazingly he is going very strong)...Lee Sharpe (maybe party lifestyle could be attributed)...Theo Walcott (had alot of injuries in a short career) Thats just off the top of my head. Theres been loads of 'next big things' that either have their careers cut short or just don't quite live upto the tag I know what you mean tbf, but there's also a lot of examples of young players, playing a lot and going on to pretty decent careers over a long spell - Maradona, Pele etc. I can't pretend to know more than Wenger but I know I'd like to see him more than a couple of times in half a season. To ACE2M's point, he could turn out to be much like Walcott but I think he already shows a much more mature kind of football approach than Theo manages even now. Walcott has had some great games and earlier this season he was playing very well so he could still go from being average to consistently good - I hope so because he seems like a nice chap and gives 100% pretty much. Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: Karabiner on January 23, 2012, 06:52:22 PM OK 24 probs a bit of an exaggeration, but Owen has never fulfilled his true potential...Gerrard very nearly came unstuck at a young age (and lets face it, he still picks up more than an average number of strains etc)...Giggs had well documented hamstring problems early on (although amazingly he is going very strong)...Lee Sharpe (maybe party lifestyle could be attributed)...Theo Walcott (had alot of injuries in a short career) Thats just off the top of my head. Theres been loads of 'next big things' that either have their careers cut short or just don't quite live upto the tag I know what you mean tbf, but there's also a lot of examples of young players, playing a lot and going on to pretty decent careers over a long spell - Maradona, Pele etc. But when was the last time that a English/British 'next big thing' truly live up to such a tag? Whenever I think of a player they are usually burnt out by either playing too much too soon or the party lifestyle - or a combination of the two!!! Rooney. Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: GreekStein on January 23, 2012, 06:58:57 PM This chap looks the real deal to me. I'd be picking him ahead of Walcott already. Why do so many managers hold these extreme talents back ? Is there really any good reason, love to know what you guys who've dabbled at decent levels think. Really do think if you're good enough you're old enough. Wenger on Ox off: “He started to fatigue. I’m 30 years in the job, I've made 50,000 substitutions, I don’t have to explain every decision' I think Wenger is absolutely right. So many of our 'next superstars' are burnt out by the time they are 24 or their knees are gone. The guy is 18, his body is still maturing and growing. Putting it under too much stress too early is known to be bad for development and longevity. Off the top of my head I can't think of any burnt out superstars at 24, where the cause was playing more than 2 games in 20 michael owen Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: The Baron on January 23, 2012, 08:08:52 PM Looked really good today. Had this convo on msn through the game about how he's miles better than Walcott. Haha I wish Ralph! I didn't lol. I'd be tempted to pay 25 m for any amount of pace though!! Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: anthonyl on January 23, 2012, 08:49:41 PM Hasn't walcott had a part to play in like 80% of RVP's goals?
Chamberlain does look a lot better though. Comparing Arsenal to Spurs, who would get in the Spurs team from Arsenal?! Vermalean and RVP only for me, possible Chamberlain for Lennon. Evra was immense yesterday, and I hope Rooney/Welbeck is used for England after his supension. Welbeck is fking awesome. Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: MANTIS01 on January 23, 2012, 10:01:35 PM Young Jack Wilshere has been out for months after playing too often when fatigued or injured and has been a terrible miss. I expect Wenger is pretty cautious about handling his current youngsters at the mo. If the guy notices his latest young gun is fatigued during the game and wants to replace him with the captain of Russia then fair enough decision imo.
Walcott has always had a poor end product and sadly it doesn't seem to be improving as time goes on. Great impact sub in all reality. Think poor delivery is indicative of very quick players, such as Tony Daley from Villa, who used to skip past full backs for fun before crossing the ball into the stands with uncanny frequency. Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: George2Loose on January 23, 2012, 10:12:38 PM I'm not questioning Mr Wenger. Guy is a great boss obv. I understand the need to protect youngsters.
However in a game of such importance when this young lad was basically the talisman of the team that day and who had just had a significant impact surely you at least give him another 10 mins or the end of the game and let him rest up for the next game? I have no idea who else was on the bench but Arshavin has been wank too which didn't help Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: smashedagain on January 23, 2012, 10:13:30 PM Young Jack Wilshere has been out for months after playing too often when fatigued or injured and has been a terrible miss. I expect Wenger is pretty cautious about handling his current youngsters at the mo. If the guy notices his latest young gun is fatigued during the game and wants to replace him with the captain of Russia then fair enough decision imo. Jack wilshere has been drinking in a pub next to our kids school in scunny. No idea why he is here so often ( something to do with a 6 year old boy who died recently who raised a million for charity, jack marshal), but everyone says he is a diamond. A local drunk asked him why he was not a dick head like the scunny utd players. He just said that he would not want to let down his manager who has put so much faith in him.Walcott has always had a poor end product and sadly it doesn't seem to be improving as time goes on. Great impact sub in all reality. Think poor delivery is indicative of very quick players, such as Tony Daley from Villa, who used to skip past full backs for fun before crossing the ball into the stands with uncanny frequency. Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: MANTIS01 on January 23, 2012, 10:31:38 PM Think booing and creating a negative atmosphere just when Arsenal level the game is the proper shit decision on display. Reckon Wenger would've loved to bring on Henry instead.
Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: George2Loose on January 23, 2012, 10:37:08 PM Think booing and creating a negative atmosphere just when Arsenal level the game is the proper shit decision on display. Reckon Wenger would've loved to bring on Henry instead. Yh agree. Even if you're baffled don't boo your team. Tho RVP's face also look puzzled Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: Karabiner on January 23, 2012, 11:30:56 PM Young Jack Wilshere has been out for months after playing too often when fatigued or injured and has been a terrible miss. I expect Wenger is pretty cautious about handling his current youngsters at the mo. If the guy notices his latest young gun is fatigued during the game and wants to replace him with the captain of Russia then fair enough decision imo. Jack wilshere has been drinking in a pub next to our kids school in scunny. No idea why he is here so often ( something to do with a 6 year old boy who died recently who raised a million for charity, jack marshal), but everyone says he is a diamond. A local drunk asked him why he was not a dick head like the scunny utd players. He just said that he would not want to let down his manager who has put so much faith in him.Walcott has always had a poor end product and sadly it doesn't seem to be improving as time goes on. Great impact sub in all reality. Think poor delivery is indicative of very quick players, such as Tony Daley from Villa, who used to skip past full backs for fun before crossing the ball into the stands with uncanny frequency. From all accounts that I have heard Jack is teetotal. Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: nirvana on January 23, 2012, 11:35:54 PM I hate the boo boys, don't mind a whine up myself from time to time but I'm never booing - except if I'm watching England maybe.
Funny enough, we were comparing Walcott with Daley today at work. He was amazingly quick right up till he smashed into the hoardings with the ball still at his feet. Wilshere was obv overplayed, doesn't mean you have to swing so far to the other extreme is a fair view to take I think. As for Arshavin, I don't care who he captains, he's a piss poor contributor at Arsenal Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: mondatoo on January 23, 2012, 11:54:01 PM Young Jack Wilshere has been out for months after playing too often when fatigued or injured and has been a terrible miss. I expect Wenger is pretty cautious about handling his current youngsters at the mo. If the guy notices his latest young gun is fatigued during the game and wants to replace him with the captain of Russia then fair enough decision imo. Jack wilshere has been drinking in a pub next to our kids school in scunny. No idea why he is here so often ( something to do with a 6 year old boy who died recently who raised a million for charity, jack marshal), but everyone says he is a diamond. A local drunk asked him why he was not a dick head like the scunny utd players. He just said that he would not want to let down his manager who has put so much faith in him.Walcott has always had a poor end product and sadly it doesn't seem to be improving as time goes on. Great impact sub in all reality. Think poor delivery is indicative of very quick players, such as Tony Daley from Villa, who used to skip past full backs for fun before crossing the ball into the stands with uncanny frequency. Didn't he get arrested for assaulting someone not so long ago ? Jus' sayin. Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: Tommo on January 24, 2012, 12:11:30 AM I think the point Wenger made about Arshavin captaining Russia to defend why the change shouldn't of been questioned was way off the mark, it doesn't matter if he was god the guy has been awful for ages. I believe that he had about 0% chance on influencing the game in a positive way, I guess if you asked 60,000 fans they would of said the same thing this had a negative effect on the whole stadium at a time when arsenal had the momentum.
I will add I think Wenger has been a great manager for Arsenal (not my team) but he seems to be from an outside view very stubben over certain things that seem obvious to others. Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: Karabiner on January 24, 2012, 12:14:43 AM Young Jack Wilshere has been out for months after playing too often when fatigued or injured and has been a terrible miss. I expect Wenger is pretty cautious about handling his current youngsters at the mo. If the guy notices his latest young gun is fatigued during the game and wants to replace him with the captain of Russia then fair enough decision imo. Jack wilshere has been drinking in a pub next to our kids school in scunny. No idea why he is here so often ( something to do with a 6 year old boy who died recently who raised a million for charity, jack marshal), but everyone says he is a diamond. A local drunk asked him why he was not a dick head like the scunny utd players. He just said that he would not want to let down his manager who has put so much faith in him.Walcott has always had a poor end product and sadly it doesn't seem to be improving as time goes on. Great impact sub in all reality. Think poor delivery is indicative of very quick players, such as Tony Daley from Villa, who used to skip past full backs for fun before crossing the ball into the stands with uncanny frequency. Didn't he get arrested for assaulting someone not so long ago ? Jus' sayin. There was a bit of a scuffle outside a nightclub with Jack and a few mates about a year ago, but there was no suggestion of him drinking other than it being implied by the circumstances. Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: smashedagain on January 24, 2012, 12:18:01 PM Never realised how much involved he was. The jack marshal was only 6 and was in my nieces class at bottesford infants straight across the school from the Dolphin inn. Bottesford is only a small part of a small town so everybody knows most folks business and most of the people will have took part in the fund raising.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/oliver-holt/Oliver-Holt-column-Why-Arsenal-and-England-star-Jack-Wilshere-took-brave-brain-tumour-sufferer-Jack-Marshall-to-his-heart-article810650.html Title: Re: Oxlade-Chamberlain being held back ? Post by: smashedagain on January 24, 2012, 12:21:51 PM Young Jack Wilshere has been out for months after playing too often when fatigued or injured and has been a terrible miss. I expect Wenger is pretty cautious about handling his current youngsters at the mo. If the guy notices his latest young gun is fatigued during the game and wants to replace him with the captain of Russia then fair enough decision imo. Jack wilshere has been drinking in a pub next to our kids school in scunny. No idea why he is here so often ( something to do with a 6 year old boy who died recently who raised a million for charity, jack marshal), but everyone says he is a diamond. A local drunk asked him why he was not a dick head like the scunny utd players. He just said that he would not want to let down his manager who has put so much faith in him.Walcott has always had a poor end product and sadly it doesn't seem to be improving as time goes on. Great impact sub in all reality. Think poor delivery is indicative of very quick players, such as Tony Daley from Villa, who used to skip past full backs for fun before crossing the ball into the stands with uncanny frequency. From all accounts that I have heard Jack is teetotal. |