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Thought's appreciated on every street. Really don't know whether this is ok or terrible!

[9:00:35 PM] Greek: GAME #3129122943: Omaha PL $1.00/$2.00 - 2012-01-23 13:57:26
Table Santa Barbara
Server poker12.ipoker.com
 
Seat 1: thebadandtheugly ($259.88 in chips)
Seat 3: chekf0ldx ($198.00 in chips)
Seat 5: AnhyeuemOanhBui ($133.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Kefexin ($778.80 in chips)
Seat 8: TonyBond007 ($200.00 in chips)
Seat 10: Boxinchamp ($202.00 in chips)
 
chekf0ldx: SB $1.00
Kefexin: BB $2.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chekf0ldx [S6 D9 CQ DA]
TonyBond007: Fold 
Boxinchamp: Fold 
thebadandtheugly: Fold 
chekf0ldx: Raise $6.00
Kefexin: Call $4.00
*** FLOP *** [SQ DJ DQ]
chekf0ldx: Bet $8.00
Kefexin: Raise $22.00
chekf0ldx: Call $14.00
*** TURN *** [SQ DJ DQ S7]
chekf0ldx: Check 
Kefexin: Bet $38.00
chekf0ldx: Call $38.00
*** RIVER *** [SQ DJ DQ S7 S4]
chekf0ldx: Check 
Kefexin: Bet $132.00
chekf0ldx: Fold 
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $261.00 Rake $3.00
Kefexin: wins $261.00

Cos is the reason you don't smash the flop cos you don't get called by worse or just wanna keep his bluffs/worse draws in?

ffs why didn't you river the 9s?

Can't see how you can play it any other way.

Apart from pot/calling the flop then scream for an Ace.

Level?

Can't see anything he can have other than JJ or Qxxx

Think he's played it well whatever he's got. Fold here is fine imo. I can't see how calling would be overly bad either fwiw.

Would be an interesting one if we were deeper and could put his bet/fold tendencies to the test.

Weird spot.

Yeh.

Blind on blind I expect him to bluffraise sometimes

How do you play it pre?

What do you do on the flop?

Same question for the turn!

Do you only play the unlimited hold ems sir?

Pre I always 3x a suited ace in an unopened pot even oop so same as you.

I pretty much always c bet about 3/4 pot so again very similar.

Obviously I can't fold triple queens and a nut fush draw to a standard raise so always calling flop.

Turn is weird. I probably do the same as you to be honest. Looks a nice spot to pot control and also disguise that Q and make it look like we're maybe chasing a flush. (Obv not as likely on a paired board).

Having had a little think I'm now leaning towards bet/folding the river. If we make it $70 I can't see him ever shoving worse but he can certainly flat worse Qx hands.

Why don't we just pot the flop? He calls with worse quuens? Or not? Is he reg Cos?

Sigh misclick, meant to be the  9s.

At least we can call river as played then.

Would prefer to see the  Qh tho.

But he HASto have a queen to call.

Loads of players auto rep any paired board and that's the guy Cos is trying to keep in.

The problem with this hand is that it starts as an exercise in keeping the guy interested and maybe let him spew another street then becomes a problem when he starts to look insanely strong.

You'd normally expect him to check behind on the turn then we extract a little value on the river. This one went a bit wrong though when he decided to barrel the shit out of it.

I play the hand identical to that Cos.

But when Cos calls doesn't his hand look like a Queen anyway. Surely he dogs most draws cos the board is paired?

Well that's not really true as he could raise QJ/JJ AQ109 type hands too so I don't want to overrep my hand. Given I have the nfd too, that takes another hand out of his range he might well raise the flop with.

BTW I'm not arguing. Just trying to learn how to play 4 cards.

Yes I agree with this but blind on blind I think dynamics change a bit and ranges open up a little. I don't think I'd always fold AA or KK just yet, particularly if I had like KK10 with diamonds etc.

It's good discussion m8

Yup all true. On the flop though are your thoughts 'hmmmm I'd best be careful here in case I get coolered' or 'Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee I is gettin paaaiiiidddd'?

For me it would be the latter and I'd be cautiously keeping him interested. That would change to scared caution on the turn and then I'd be petrified on the river.

I'd say it would be wrong to think of just one of these two scenarios. It's a spot where we have to kind of bear in mind that either one could be applicable, no?

Can't see how u can play this hand any other way cos, if the guy has bluffed you in that spot (very unlikely) then well done him

I'd fold the turn.

Random's have QJ here.

This is fine/standard, I'd c/c flop sometimes too.

Really feels like QJ for me.  Line is fine IMO, think the weird turn is just trying to keep in some draws/induce, however I call there as well (maybe shouldn't but hey it's no fun to fold).

What do you do if you fill one of your lower kickers?

I defo c/f, or I might even lead/fold. Idk, I'd fold the turn at these stakes vs a random almost always

Don't get me wrong, I want to fold the turn but with the bet sizing I'd probably level myself into a call.  If we fill a lower kicker on the river we probably have to bet/fold, why else are we calling on the turn?  Feels too weak to C/F if we go that far.

Agree with this.

I mean if it comes a 6 and I check again, I'd still expect him to shove JJ if checked to.

i like flop but think i c/fold turn.

So is that where i go wrong in 1 2 games im to spewy ? think its just a basic all in on flop ? if has worst queens hes not folding anyway an if has jj you may be behind but you have alot of outs an  may miss out on value if u house up an he gets away from the hand which is unlikey anyway an personally most players would just flat wt qj here on flop so i think hes never got that! Friendly advice for an old friend!