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***** Hand History for Game 11343160821 *****
$25 USD PL Omaha - Monday, January 23, 16:04:00 EST 2012
Table Table  167015 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5/6
Seat 3: Dimacal ( $23.73 USD )
Seat 4: lucky2010888 ( $25 USD )
Seat 6: njatak ( $29.53 USD )
Seat 5: rabbitheart3 ( $25.32 USD )
Seat 1: sovoerov ( $26.27 USD )
sovoerov posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
Dimacal posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
lucky2010888 is sitting out
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to rabbitheart3 [  Jc As Ad 7d ]
rabbitheart3 raises [$0.75 USD]
njatak raises [$1.95 USD]
sovoerov folds
Dimacal folds
rabbitheart3 raises [$5.45 USD]
njatak will be using his time bank for this hand.
njatak calls [$4.25 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6s, 9s, Ts ]
QPR11 has joined the table.
rabbitheart3 bets [$5 USD]
njatak calls [$5 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
rabbitheart3 is all-In  [$14.12 USD]
njatak calls [$14.12 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]

played it fine. However you will be shown a flush 85% of the time and a set 13% of the time at these stakes, making you the winning hand 2% of the time!

it just sucks here, sometimes when I play lower I just chk fold or bet tiny like $2.50 and fold.

since you have three blockers and a pair, i think it's prolly ok.

edit: always nice to get the 'whilst you were posting, there's a new reply' msg when commenting on a plo hand and finding dave more or less agreeing with you.

yeah he called me with the straight, probably could have given up earlier,

Would you sometimes flat his 3bet pre?

I think I give up when he flats flop at these stakes cos I just don't think he's gonna fold turn.

c/f flop or c/f turn i assume ur bluffing ott?

I play a bit at these stakes and as Dave says you're going to be losing here most of the time.

Flatting pre would be a good line to take here. Once you've chucked that raise in you're pretty much face up so unless you flop something good with your danglers you're going to do a chunk or win a bit.

Also as Pleno says you're bluffing the turn but it's always getting looked up. He knows what you've got and he isn't calling if he's got a worse hand.

im always betting the flop here

why though, i think c/f is nice, although would probably prefer it in a single raised or 3b pot than in a 4b pot

yeah maybe it was slightly tilty shoving this as a bluff as these stakes, is there a tracker that works for omaha so i can track my ev against the result?, started off with a nice downswing and wondering how much is due to my play.

because in a 4b pot he's gonna fold anything bar set, flush and straight. We can bet less than half pot and win more than 1 in 2 times.

Do you play much PLO pads?

Basically everything Greeky has said.  Personally I like flatting 3bets with most/all aces without solid reads on a player (i.e. he will stack off with bad kings etc).  At these stakes you're just screaming Aces.  Also you are bluffing on the turn, only try bluffing with the nut blocker if you know someone is capable of folding, doesn't happen much at thee stakes.  At these stakes I wouldn't be too surprised to see him show up with bottom two pair.  Give up on turn.

I agree with TommyD that we shouldn't 3bet this hand.

1/3pot b/f otf and a turn C/F is prolly optimal.

A general rule for new players to PLO to follow that will help is don't 3bet AA pre unless you can get more than 1/3rd of your stack in.

Question Cos- do you 4 bet much for balance seeing as whenever there's a 4 bet people auto assume its Aces?

I don't ever 4b/fold pre in PLO because I'll always be 4betting hands that have too much equity to fold. I don't 4bet much without them aces and when I do it'll be with super premium hands, usually with blockers to AA. Hands like AKQds or AKKx. I usually flat hands like AQJ10 etc but I sometimes gravitate to 4-betting them vs loose 3bettors.

I'm gonna nick most of this answer from a chat between me and little dave because he can put it into words about 150x better than me.

To hold em players, a balanced range is a non-polarised range incl. premium value, thiner value and air but that isn't how you balance a preflop range in PLO. We are always going to be kinda polarised because we're always going to be 3 and 4betting premium hands.

PLO is more equity based so a balanced range is opening good ranges from every position and 4betting enough of that range to make you non-exploitable OOP

C/f turn.

hi rob,

can you tell me why c/f flop is terrible. Just started playing plo and its an adjustment ive made. I think its similar to calling 77 on 10xx against an aggro player in holdem

yeh, well just starting to learn now.

What do people think about hands with three broadway cards and a dangler suited unsuited etc pre, what would you do in a normal situation on the button/ sb/bb when a player opens with a raise from middle to late position?

depends on a few things - firstly, exactly what hand you have it important;
 Ad Kh Qd 3h is a miles different hand to  Kd Qh Jd  5d. The first you could 3bet and the second you should fold in the SB if the CO opens. AK[Q-T] with a dangler and a suited ace is a lot better than AQ[J-T] with a dangler and a suited Ace and without an or or a nut suit the hands are complete junk OOP.

AKQ* with a nut suit is playable in most single raised situations from anywhere, they play well as 3bets vs loose BTN and CO opens from the blinds 100bbs deep as we dominate a nice chunk of the peeling range, and ofc would be good hands to 3bet in position as long as the opener isn't a massive nit. Weaker [A-Q][K-J][Q-T]* hands will often be better to 3bet IP as they play much worse multi-way so isolating  in position is favorable over calling, the downside is they are NOT good hands to peel 4bets with so I wouldn't 3bet UTG opens with the weaker ones (100% fold) and be wary of the openers 4bet tendencies when you're 3betting a hand like AQT6ds the lower the 4bet% the better, as we can't continue to any 4bet really at any reasonable stack depth