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Title: river play Post by: Ironside on January 30, 2012, 08:58:03 PM villian has been pretty solid 3b me pre a cpl of time fold to my c-bet a few times, lead out to me and come over top of me.
nothing shown although we have tussled a few time nothing major taken place on the river here i was thinking of putting in a value bet but i can opnly beat KQ QJ and QT that might call and i better check calling to catch a bluff? PokerStars Hand #74755280681: Tournament #558010491, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (75/150) - 2012/01/30 20:38:17 WET [2012/01/30 15:38:17 ET] Table '558010491 548' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: manoloman461 (5294 in chips) Seat 2: vongericke (2688 in chips) Seat 3: MoLtUaE (16812 in chips) Seat 4: O.Kadaksoo (4409 in chips) Seat 5: johan148 (3394 in chips) Seat 6: nayRH (10877 in chips) Seat 7: Ironside (15954 in chips) Seat 8: lastcardwild (7494 in chips) Seat 9: gazzat7 (12220 in chips) manoloman461: posts the ante 20 vongericke: posts the ante 20 MoLtUaE: posts the ante 20 O.Kadaksoo: posts the ante 20 johan148: posts the ante 20 nayRH: posts the ante 20 Ironside: posts the ante 20 lastcardwild: posts the ante 20 gazzat7: posts the ante 20 manoloman461: posts small blind 75 vongericke: posts big blind 150 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Ironside [Ac Qc] MoLtUaE: folds O.Kadaksoo has timed out O.Kadaksoo: folds O.Kadaksoo is sitting out johan148: folds nayRH: folds Ironside: raises 150 to 300 lastcardwild: folds gazzat7: calls 300 manoloman461: folds O.Kadaksoo has returned vongericke: folds *** FLOP *** [3c Qd 3h] Ironside: bets 525 gazzat7: raises 525 to 1050 Ironside: calls 525 *** TURN *** [3c Qd 3h] [9s] Ironside: checks gazzat7: bets 1500 Ironside: raises 1950 to 3450 gazzat7: calls 1950 *** RIVER *** [3c Qd 3h 9s] [8d] Title: Re: river play Post by: NoflopsHomer on January 30, 2012, 09:12:07 PM Jam for value I guess.
Title: Re: river play Post by: muckthenuts on January 30, 2012, 10:20:44 PM I wouldn't raise the turn, it really doesn't achieve anything.
Title: Re: river play Post by: Ironside on January 30, 2012, 10:25:24 PM I wouldn't raise the turn, it really doesn't achieve anything. i was hoping to call his jam on turn didnt expect a call left me a bit bamboozled Title: Re: river play Post by: cambridgealex on January 30, 2012, 10:40:32 PM Hate raising the turn sorry.
Just call call call. Title: Re: river play Post by: mulhuzz on January 30, 2012, 10:48:35 PM Think this is a check fold now..hes prolly not betting KQ otr after you raise turn. Turn raise has put us in an icky spot.
Title: Re: river play Post by: Ironside on January 30, 2012, 11:02:16 PM no worries it went check check and he turned up with KQ one of the few hands i could of seen me getting value from
Title: Re: river play Post by: TommyD on January 30, 2012, 11:24:08 PM Pretending we didn't raise the turn, is this a good river to donk blocker bet?
Title: Re: river play Post by: mulhuzz on January 30, 2012, 11:27:05 PM Pretending we didn't raise the turn, is this a good river to donk blocker bet? Pretty sure it'd be for value, but prefer check call. Title: Re: river play Post by: Ironside on January 30, 2012, 11:30:25 PM what hands are we really worried about on turn obivous 99 and q9
but are we really worried about them QQ+ pre he 3bets maybe even as 3bet with 88+ so way hand had been played to turn surely we are most likely beaten by quads but are more likely facing Qx or possible someone floating JT Title: Re: river play Post by: pleno1 on January 30, 2012, 11:35:37 PM 2366/call flop, dont think its too close. He can check back turn and we lose value taking this line vs qx and our range is alot stronger when we call oop than when we 3bet as we have bluffcatchers vs Aq+ in the two ranges meaning he can spew 4b otf, sounds like perfect dynamic for it too.
Title: Re: river play Post by: TommyD on January 30, 2012, 11:47:11 PM Pretending we didn't raise the turn, is this a good river to donk blocker bet? Pretty sure it'd be for value, but prefer check call. Half value, half blocking. Bearing in mind he's flatted our open pre and raised flop, barrelled turn is he going to continue with the QX we beat or air again? Air is always a maybe but I'm pretty sure QT and QJ check back the river if we flat twice, maybe KQ as well. The flop was pretty dry, tough for him to continue betting with the lesser queens on the river after we call twice unless we are a complete station with tens/jacks. Title: Re: river play Post by: Ironside on January 31, 2012, 01:02:25 AM if i flat turn and he shoves river is it a call?
Title: Re: river play Post by: mulhuzz on January 31, 2012, 01:09:57 AM if i flat turn and he shoves river is it a call? Did we bet or check river? I'm prolly calling both btw, defo if checked to. Title: Re: river play Post by: Ironside on January 31, 2012, 01:16:02 AM i was oop i checked he checked behind
but if i flatted turn i think he might have shoved river |