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This was from the super 50 at weekend, bet on the river, call, better shows KQ for trip Q's, caller looks at his hand and says 'your good' and mucks his hand. The dealer mucks the hand and gives the chips to the better, player next to caller then says 'you had an ace flush'. Dealer says the hand is dead, but the tournament director is called over, he says the players either side of the caller say they saw the flush so the pot is given to him. Neither the dealer or the original better saw the hand. I was amazed my this ruling, any comments are welcome. 

Sounds fair.

Seems like a level of some kind.

TD should be sacked if this is true.

Hand has to be tabled. Player could be colluding with the 2 sat next to him. Hands dead. Lol@ruling

So the TD ruled that the pot should be awarded to a player based on what the players next to him said, when the dealer or the TD never actually saw the hand?

If the dealer mucks the hand its absolutely dead surely?

Which TD was it?

Thats a bad ruling surely. If the cards hit the muck then the hands dead. The only way that would stand is if they had a showdown where all hands are tabled. Based on the words of two other players is not ground for the pot to change winner.

if cards not tabled they are dead

If I LOL at a DTD ruling now will I be barred?  ;hide;

 ;joestrummer;

I did wonder that too, seems lolbad if true, I doubt it though  ;carlocitrone;

We're almost certainly not in possession of the full facts here, so lets not jump to conclusions. Well, any more conclusions!

No way this happened

surely it is the players responsibility to keep, muck or expose their hand. As soon as those cards cross the line they belong to the dealer. If the cards are face down they are mucked and should be treated as such therefore not being turned over and ultimately loosing the hand for not declaring the cards. If they were face up they are in fact still live and its up to the dealer to declare the winning hand. So in simple terms face down you are declaring you are releasing your hand and allowing the other player to take the pot.

I can only imagine that the TD was unaware of the full facts and thought the hand was tabled and misread. 

no TD at DTD would rule that, based on the info we've been given. there's got to be more to this...

Cards are in the muck.....hand is dead.  Surely the guy who had trips said something and didn't just watch all this happen?

Were the two players involved in the hand friends? In any event, if info in op is correct can't see this ruling being appropriate unless theres clear evidence of chip dumping and, after the pot is awarded, some hefty penalty is dished out too.

I was at DTD the other night when a player accidentally mucked the winning hand. Two hours later, he ran J4os into KK and was knocked out of the comp.

An hour after that, he was sitting at the bar taking a hefty pull at his third pint of larger when he suddenly realised he had indeed mucked the winning hand.

He called for a ruling and the TD immediately re-instated him into the competition. The player who received the pot in error was disqualified and all his chips were awarded to the re-instated player.

The TD then whipped out an AK-47, riddled the disqualified player with bullets and called for Sinclair to drag his still twitching corpse out to the dumpster.

Do you think this was the correct ruling?
  

I once mucked the winning hand in a $7k pot in Vegas, what did I do?

Slinked away quietly without saying a word with my tail between legs, and was shaking my head to myself for the next hour or so.  :'(

Sigh ........... if only ......... *floats away to a happy place

Def not, should be a British made SA80.

it would jam Bob

Sick brag.

Just popped down to Dtd tonight and starts ribbing Gavin about his ability to run a tourney.  It turns out it was not him and Ryan was TD. Op has a few inaccuracies  and the dealer did actually see the hand and it was tabled.  The guy with the flush says trips is good so the dealer starts moving the chips towards our poster. It's at this point he shows the flush and as we all know cards speak.

Shame on those that doubt the abilities of the Dtd staff :)

Don't think anybody did Jase. Pretty much ever comment was suggesting that there was some kind of inaccuracy.

It ll makes much more sense now though.

What's op playing at then?!

in fact it would seem that the only person doubting the abilities of the dtd staff is the one who was there tonight taking the piss out of the wrong person for it

The clues were all there for an iffy Post, alex - the OP had not Posted here for nearly 5 years, then suddenly pops up with that. Nothing made any sense, & I doubt anyone took it at face value.*

* Errors, omissions, & Jason excepted.

Gavs a scunny boy like myself and needs to be kept on his toes and gives as good as he takes. tonight was my first outing to dtd that was not a deepstack or sat and i was really impressed with the staff. dealers are the same high standard for the £50 comp as they are for the larger ones. i always enjoy the craic with the guys down there and they seem to enjoy work a lot more than some of the miserable gits ay other places. infact i might do a TR as i cant sleep and there does not appear to be any freeview on the sky channels 900 to 969

I think you were on my opening table? You were seat 9 right? I'd already had a chat to Gavin regarding this before I started work ad he said he would get to the bottom of it. Lol

Tbh, I just replied to the question. Didnt for one second think a TD at DTD could make a decision this horrific (Im mates with most of them lol).

A lot of people were talking about this ruling in my local casino, so I said I would post it on here to try to get to the bottom of it. The reason I posted was because none of us could believe that could happen at DTD. But the person it happened to is a respected player, and I should add, a top class dealer. I just repeated what he told me. He's a winner of the 300 and Jason knows him very well.
And I would like to apologise to Tikay for not been a hero member, I didn't realise you had to be to post, my mistake.

and the TD states that the facts you posted are incorrect in several respects, yes?

not to my knowledge

Wait a minute are you talking about young Chinese Frankie ( Fan Cao ). Now this kid is one of the best card dealers I've ever seen and is honest as the day is long. However his command of the queens English is a bit iffy at times and he is a bit naive. Just like the time he had 20k in his Dtd account and wanted it sharp ish so thought he could just lose it all to his mate heads up and get it out through his account and the time he took his cash to the gukpt in Blackpool in  a shoe box.  If its Frankie then tell him that the dealer is a sound lad also. He said he saw the hand and Frankie knows full well cards speak. No one will have tried to con him.  He may have been under the misconception that the chips had been passed to him and once that happens then the mistake can't be rectified.

I did see that Frankie cashed the super 50 whilst Cam played day 2 of the deepstack.

The best thing to have done in this instance would have been to take it up with the staff in Dtd for clarification or even got me to sort it for you (like the time you got your account suspended). The original post just paints Dtd in a bad light without the full facts. I know having the full facts does not usually matter to you hull kids :) anyway Ulliot is coming down for the next deepstack so he can fit a few of you in his hummer and come to have some real poker. (they don't get card room managers helping themselves to the pots down here either)

Sorry if the thread just looks like everyone is having a go at you but the op looks like one big level (that means piss take in forum speak)