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Was playing the 50/1 at DTD the other day had a guy to my right who has been playing really loose and making pretty bad calls constaantly but then out drawing just playing pure terrible. I spoke to someone i know and they said that my play was pretty strange now i personally still think its a pretty standard move. Will post his hand after a few hands so i can get a idea of the hands you think he is playing in his range.

I'm in BB: sat back £380  Ahrt Kh

Villian in CO: sat back £220

Utg straddles to £2 6 limps around to me and i raise to £22 folded around to villian who flats.

Flop:  2h 2s 6h

I Cbet for £25,

Villian re pops to £50 and i instant shove. Putting him on a wide range of hands i dont think he makes this play with any decent PP and not a 2 as i cant see this hand in his range unless he has 22 but i stilll think his line is weird. At most i can put him on is a flush draw as well.

He tanks for a little and says callls.

What hand do you think he has and also would you also snap reshove this board texture? I think the play is right just a friend who i discuss hands with thinks i should fold which i think is ubber nitty!
FLop

Don't like the instant shove. Looks too planned and stinks of flush draw. If you sit and think for at least a few seconds I think you get more folds.

He's probably got 33, 44, 55, 77 or any hand with a 6 in it. Much better than this and he calls your shove quickly instead of thinking.

It all looks standard to be honest. Can't really fault any of it.

Well once i see the flop I was always getting it in so was planned on the flop if he raised me on it, Just because of how he has been playing.

Clear shove. Probably not insta-shoving... although that's something I never do, but villain is repping a tiny amount of actual value hands: 2x (lol), 66-99, 6x. Obviously he should be folding basically his entire range on this board when you shove, except 2x and 66, possibly 88/99. Either way you have good equity vs his range and he should be folding a bunch, even if he is a bit of a spewy station.

seems very stnd, you dominate all flush draws and are flipping with stuff like 66 - 88, if he has a 2 it's not even the end of the world.

don't snap do anything btw, even if something is extremely obvious, just take a second to make sure you haven't made a mistake, mis-read your hand or ms counted his chips or something, 1 time in 100 you'll stop yourself doing something stupid and save yourself a good few quid. also tougher decisions will take more time so fast decisions kind of polarise you to a monster hand you've gotten excited with, or a pre-empted semi-bluff like matt says, if you take a minute it serves a good purpose to chking you haven;t done something stupid and it balances the times you wanna take a minute or so out nicely.

don't over do it ofc, just 10-12 seconds is usually ok

Is there a case for a raise here rather than a shove? Isn't a shove more likely to fold out loads of hands you dominate?

i assume you mean call rather than raise.

No, I meant raise. Villain has raised to £50, Hero has £333. Pot is £129. A raise to say £125 is less likely to fold out the dominated hands, could induce a shove, and if not means all money can go in on a decent turn card?

Although following on from your post, is there a case for a call for similar reasons to my original question?

Completely standard play tbh. But as others have said, don't snap jam... just do it in tempo.

Re: the suggestion of making a smaller 3bet on the flop... No other 3bet size makes sense since with these effective stacks there is no further leverage point (ok, maybe a CIB can be squeezed in but I don't bother with this sort of crap).

Understanding the tempo of my shove how it can be seen by Villian. The hand he had was  3c 3d and i lost the pot as missed eveything.

Which i still think was a very poor call on his part, even if he is putting me on a flush draw as im bound to have overs as well.

Ps did get it all back of him later when he called me off with 3rd pair haha

I only usually like a snap jam when I have quad 33s on A33xA for example and it's obvious the other guy has an ace. Give the board a glance, give a shrug and a casual "its obv a chop" look and just say allin. That's usually the line I take when I have quads vs nut boats.

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Standard play, not sure how 33 calls it off tho! Learn to flip better :-)

Trying to.. Been sat at home running this hand over and over with a pack of cards until the varience changes! still no luck Haha

Hopefully other guy would reply yep obv a chop and slow roll his quad aces in this spot.

Wp with the play. I don't think the snap shoving thing is that big a deal, he wasn't folding anyway.

Are we saying its a clear play? is that due to having fold equity with our ship? On the flop we are slightly behind against his hand
on this board 49% - 51% basically flipping for 222bb's. Surely another spot can be found esp v a weak/tilted player.

Interesting hand for sure, could someone go a little further into why its a standard line to take, and couldnt we possibly be drawing
dead even if thats only a small chance.

1) overlay- there's 54 or something in there pre, and we've bet 25, so shipping is instantly profitable.
2) we dominate all his draws
3) we have fold equity/he could be bluffing

TO NAME BUT A FEW :P

I can see the benifits to this play against a good player such as yourself or Mitch and i would
be happy to make it playing either of you my problem here is its a massive pot and the guy is unlikely
to fold a hand that we are flipping with for 220bbs and he is likely to get it in with much weaker
holdings if we bibe our time (Third pair like he did later for his stack say).

Nits are gonna nit i guess  :tikay:

With fold equity + equity against his whole calling range, shoving is definitely +ev.

There is no such thing as waiting for a better spot! If the spot seems profitable then it is a spot you should take :)

3bet flop > jam

If he jams it in with air we have sick equity and even if we get him to fold a hand like he has only once in a million tries its still more +EV than just jamming and folding out everything that you're better than flipping against.  Make it £105/call. You also give him the opportunity to peel and fold to your turn jam.

3bet flop is good if you want to be balanced as 3bet bluffing this board is highly reccomended vs those who like to find out where they are...

i still think calling is nice, basically can't do anythjing bad unless you fold.

This is exactly my point i was trying to make t my friend. Its definate +ev i find better players might fold here  as well and tbh i never minded getting in VS villian if he had a hand like this as i have plenty of outs.

Would not put him on the 2 or 66 as he was slow playing every monster flop he hit.