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Well apparently I've been volunteered to start a thread for the whole tennis betting thing. I'm also in charge of setting the mood. Unfortunately I've got toothache so the mood is going to be pretty damn rotten!!

Can people post on here if they're interested in investing please. £200 or £400 are the only available investments. I'll be in for £400 myself because I'm an idiot. I won't accept any different amounts because that'd be too much like hard work.

The OP will be constantly edited to show who's in and who's paid.

Post number 2 will be a list of rules which will be edited over the next few days and then cast in stone before commencement of the whole thing.

Post number 3 will explain how the account is going to be run.

Post number 4 will be some random bollocks from someone like Gatso who always seems to get in early on these threads complaining about something not being quite right.

In so far if it goes ahead:

Tikay - £400
StuartHopkin - £200
Evilpie - £200
Bobby1 - £200
Sicilian - £200

The rules

1 - If you do your money you don't blame me.

3

Is Solaris doing the trading still?   Has he said he is wanting or willing to do it since the initial thread?

doubt I've ever complained about a staking thread being not right apart from the time snatty was accidentally selling at at 10000% markup but don't like to disappoint so this is all bollocks. is post 5 good enough?

Whole thing is totally dependant on Solaris doing the trading. If he's not happy with any aspect then it's all off.

if we quote can you still edit?

oh and


Hi Blatch  :hello:

Mods - i am very happy for you to delete this post if Matt cant edit number 2

Post 5 is a little disappointing tbh but I'll accept it.

I'm pretty certain there's going to be plenty wrong to complain about somewhere down the line.

Farce.

Just for clarification.

We are opening a betfair account on which we will place bets for solaris. We are doing this for safety reasons due to potential addictions issues but also to give solaris a decent go at using his knowledge wisely to make him and us a few quid.

But we are also going to give him access to the account to place all the bets.

what could go wrong.

No slight on you solaris.

He cannot steal the money.

He can spunk it away, but we are prepared to take that risk

In

he can steal the money? blatch managed it.

blatch was able to withdraw the money solaris wont be able too

For clarification.

I, not we, am opening a betfair account on which Solaris will place bets for us in return for a wage should there be any profit.

I am doing this because we want a certain amount of control but also because Solaris doesn't want the responsibility of the banking side of things.

The biggest single risk is that he will potentially be able to spunk the money away to his own betfair account if he so desires. In order to protect against this I won't leave the full balance in the account.

He can not steal all of the money. I can but he can't.

I am prepared to take that risk. My eyes are wide open to the potential risks hence the reason I've stated in the OP that the max investment is £400.

EDIT: All this is obviously dependant on Solaris wanting to do it. He might well decide not to.

blatch dumped the moeny to other accounts.

he did?  So he didn't lose it all?

as matt said only a certain amount will be in the trading account at any one time so he can only run off with a small percentage which would be silly when he could be claiming 30% of any profit each month

Not sure that's true tbh. He lost a lot to other accounts but he didn't dump it.

I'm pretty sure he just withdrew it and spent it on his other gambling habits.

Fair enough.

pretty sure is was confirmed that he did. Maybe he could do an Abignail and come on and tell us his methods.

Spot on.

If for example we get a total investment of £2000 I'll keep hold of £1500 and put £500 in the betfair account.

If Solaris loses it all I'll give access to someone with a brain who can go through it to check for any misgivings.

If it all looks fine then I top up another £500. If not we all dust off 25% of our investment and I get to spend the £1500 on lap dances.

These are just random figures. Obviously all yet to be confirmed once we hear off Solaris whether he wants to do it.

i really dont think there is much need for nth degree disection of what can and cant happen here. If you are bothered about losing your investment - dont invest!

YOU ARE PUTTING UP £200 AND LETTING SOMEONE ELSE GAMBLE WITH IT. THERE IS A SOLID CHANCE OF NO RETURN, BUT LOTS OF PEOPLE WILL BE HOPING OTHERWISE

feel free to use the disclaimer Matt


GL all

I'm in for the £200.

If its in Evil Pie's name and he has the bank details then the only way anyone can steal the cash is by cross trading to other accounts or spunking it on the casino or dumping thru the poker room. If Evil is happy to keep checking the account and keeping the main % of the cash on deposit in his own bank to be used when needed then I think we are set to go.

Obv, any sign there has been any casino or poker playing then we are out, and all bets need to be proofed on the forum, esp middle of the night plays as anyone that wanted to switch money from one account to another in a none liquid market would prob choose to do it then.

I am not trying to be rude Sol, just best thing all round that we get it sorted out asap.

Obv we need to have a staking plan in place too.

I already have a disclaimer in mind. It goes something along the lines of: If you lose all your money don't blame me because I don't care.

can you temp self exclude from casino and poker on betfair? that should get rid of any worries if it's doable

£200 i'm happy to lose.  There is a bigger picture to think of though. If you give someone 4k and say we don't mind if you spunk the lot tbh, it'll be funny, i think there is a fair chance he'll spunk the lot and kill off all his cred that he has potential to build. Also a great chance to learn discipline in punting.

Evil Pie, the clue is in the name, he is a grimmer :-)

From what I can gather Sol would be happier with full disclosure.

I'm happy to keep tabs on the account but I have very limited knowledge of betfair and trading.

It's probably wise to have someone else with access who can make sure that side of it is all good.

The spunking the money is deffo the wrong mindset tho. We are showing faith in him to provide returns for him and us, we accept that it might not go that way and we do our money. We all accept that we might lose but it's better to start off hoping that Solaris see's this as a nice way to earn a few quid and agree to put the work in it will involve, not that we are having a jolly up cos it will only cost us 200/400 each if it goes badly.

I've tried to think of something sensible to say here.

Unfortunately I can't. It's all hilarious.

This is the sensible thing I was trying to think of. Thank you.

I'm trying to protect him not you.

All that is irrelevant tbh. Im sure Solaris is aware that this is a good opportunity for him, im pretty sure he doesnt wanna hear his reputation being hit on at every opportunity.

Thats the gamble for your £200. He might have the worlds greatest ever spin/ he might run off with your money. The likelihood is itll be somewhere in between.

i'm clearly taking it too seriously. it started as a semi altruistic proposal from the camel and it has the potential to do damge or be great, i just wanted to give it the best chance to be great.

gl

Mark, Luke and John and the other disciples did that, pretty sure people are going into this with their eyes wide open - as is Solaris if he does it

The kid is obv skint.

He has degen tendencies, which are guarded against by matt holding most of the bankroll.

This is a good way for him to have some bets on a sport he obviously follows closely and is capable of winning serious money at.

I think it's a win win win situation (exscept if we lose of course lol)

yes, the guy gets a break when he needs one and if he sets about it with the right attitude you never know what might happen.

There are plenty of people trading sports now with degen tendencies in their life, its the trading sports well that pays for most of the degen moments they have in other areas.

There's an even bigger clue in the thread title if you look carefully.

Matt, have you worked out all of the details for your grim yet - or is it still work in progress?

Not a lot to work out really.

Get the money. Do a runner.

Use big dog to defend against likely retribution

matt any chance when you turn the grim into dancing tokens i can come along and we can share the dancing remember i know a place we can get dances for a fiver a time

[  ] Big dog needed for online poker forumites

BOB potential here

Sign me up.... Pm details of how u want the money..happy to pay for dances.. But pictures or it didn't happen

fck pictures if i can get involved in the dances i will see if i can get you HD videos

Sicilian's in. Ronnie back on standby.

 ;D

Are people sending money yet? Deadline for this? I'm in.

I'm in for £500 if I can? Have to send via Moneybookers, but I'm fine to drop down to £200 if I have to.

Trade-off between only having £500 available "as a safeguard" and being able to get the whole kit and kaboodle in play if there was a pricing rick IR?  If something should be evs and was available on BF at 3.0, how much of the BR should be on it?

£200 or £400 met.

Moneybookers is gay though so we need to find another way. Don't mind stars.

Don't send anything yet though. We still don't know if Solaris wants in or not.

Don't send anything until we hear from Solaris.

dumping to another poker account isn't too tough.

Does anyone know Solaris personally?

nope but he will be at DTD this weekend seemingly

It'd never get picked up as suspicious activity on my account as well.

if he does it in a shrewd way you still won't get it back.

wow give the kid a break LeKnave.

Might be all he needs.

I hope Solaris sees the love from everyone who's investing and decides to go ahead with this.

Pretty good chance to prove himself as the sound fella we all hope he is.

Worry not, the Internet Police are itt.

Cos will save us all from doooooooooooooooommmmmm

Unless he is completly addicted and a lost hope he will see this as a chance to make some wonga without being tempted to donk it all off. There will be no option to do this and maybe given him to focus to be disciplined in his life...always for 2nd chances..gl to him

I think hes left!

I spoke to a friend very earlier on msn as I saw a few mentions of this in other threads.

Please correct me if these are inaccurate cliffs or anything needs to be added.

(I also don't really read the sports boards on here as I don't sports bet).

What I understand of the situation...

- Solaris asks for staking (admits on his blonde profile he's a bit of a degen)

- No one knows Solaris

- Turns out he's a lot of a degen when people come on and mention bad things he's done in the past

- Several Blondes want to see the good side and still stake him.


If my understanding of that is correct, I think it's a terrible idea to stake the guy.


Someone (Dubai?) said that they'd rather stake a degen than a nit. I respectfully disagree.

There's 2 types of degen. Type 1 is like me and Dubai. Profitable (with varying skill levels obv). Nice guys irl and sometimes borrow money. Always pay it back and have a good reputation within the community.

Then there's your type 2. I don't want to name names because that'll cause the mods unnecessary problems but we've had a few here on blonde. Likeable? Usually very. Skills? Usually very good too. In times of desperation or things going tits up, won't think twice about bending you over. 100%.


No-one knows Solaris. He's jobless atm and people he knows have come on here for the good of others not getting potentially grimmed. What they said in their first post made me think everyone is batshit crazy to still wanna stake the guy. Now I love the blonde spirit in wanting to defend 'our own' and the attitude to say 'Let's give him a shot' is equally admirable too.

However, what these people who are close to Solaris said, puts no doubt in my mind that this person should not be staked. For the good of blonde and the good of himself.

To give you the history, we have been ‘mates’ with Ryan (Solaris) for the best part of 7 years now. In the last few years he’s developed a pretty serious gambling addiction. He seems to take a lot of pleasure from thieving and losing money from anyone who is stupid enough to lend it to him. If you don’t lend it to him then he will happily rob you blind. He’s borrowed 600 off us two on holiday and didn’t pay it back because he gambled it. He has stolen from his family quite significantly, has endless debts with the likes of Wonga.com and not last week after losing his job stole a 100 from our housemate. We kicked him out our house and that brings us up to now. You have literally deposited money to someone who has lost everything on more than one occasion and is a gold member at GA

His parents are in charge of his account and have seen the money go in. I suggest you make arrangements to recoup your cash asap and under no circumstances deposit money into this degenerates account. If he's so good at gambling he wouldn’t need your money.

Solaris needs to work on paying back his debts and rebuilding relationships with the people he's hurt, rather than be encouraged by blondes to continue gambling.

I personally think it's inappropriate on several levels but that's just my 2 cents and I know it won't make any difference.

I also realise that Solaris must feel really embarrassed by this. I hope it doesn't embarrass him into shying away from the forum. I do hope it makes him tell us about his story etc and to help him through what is possibly a bad problem.

Noooo, Solaris didn't ask for staking.

And he had a tennis thread from before all this which showed amazing results and thoughtful insights.

So is Matt putting you down for £200 or £400 then Cos?

Right ok.

Blatch had some thoughtful insights too and remember what happened there?

Question - how did the staking thread come about if Solaris didn't ask for staking?

Shhhhhhh.

I'm in for 200 but as anon.

Fair point about Blatchly.

I believe Keith "The Camel" Hawkins suggested it.

I believe it's Keef Orkins you're referring to.

Someone also just told me that Solaris didn't even want to handle the money which is either admirable or simply because his gambling problem means he can't.

When things have gotten that far with gambling, you really need to put things in check. Some people really struggle to do that. Others simply can't.

Solaris probably fits within one of these two categories and as such shouldn't be incentivised with this staking idea to devote his time to gambling when it sounds like he should be doing anything but.

(If I'm way off Solaris I do apologise but please appreciate I don't know you and this is just how it looks to someone on the outside).

The kid is currently doing 1 of 2 things!

1. Sat at home salivating and have the occasional wank that blondes are so easy to grim it's not even real! From 1k to 4k in 24 hours and he outed himself!

2. Trying to convince his mum and dad that this thread is a good idea and begging them to let him prove himself as great at betting and capable of good brm and turning a profit!

Either way epicness awaits!

As Dubai wisely said. Over 50% of Blondepoker members will have a gambling problem to some extent or another.

How is the blackjack going?

Fair points, well made, by Mr Greek Bloke.

As has been pointed out though, the chap never once asked to be staked - that was Camel's idea, & we all quickly piled in behind.

As far as I am aware, he repaid everyone, in full, within 24 hours, even though he had been "outed" & his reputation, such as it may be, ripped to shreds. He had every chance to do the runner then.

Cos, however, is doing the moral bit here, & I think his points are not without merit.  Please stop being sensible, Cos, I've moved across to join the dark side now - I'm a proper degen, got my own "tips" thread & everything.

Nits are so yesterday.

Haven't played blackjack in about a year keith and considering 70% of what I used to spew off at house games was online I'd say I've kicked that bad habit. It doesn't even interest me or attract me in the slightest.

I don't know if that was an attempted dig but w/e.

If u put up a blackjack staking thread I will invest

It was an attempt at a joke mate. Give myself 2/10.

Solaris obv has a gambling problem but betting under the conditions that he's going to be under here might give him a valuable lesson in restraint and self discipline.

He certainly has some of the attributes to be a decent winning punter, just needs to learn the bits he's missing.

Hope this staking will set him on the road to success.

Well you're older and wiser than me keef so I hope you're right.

I think it's a bad idea (that may have a better chance of working due to this commotion) and may be something his family really doesn't want to see but if it does go ahead I'll be funking for the guy.

Still waiting....although  he said his internet banking was down and he would have to do a manual transfer.

 Pm me you details and I'll send it to you. Will be there by 10am as will have to do over the counter money due to online banking being down for me.

Hasn't been online since, so no PM it has gone through OK ?

Have to wait and see.....if it takes a few days manually, then fair enough.

No idea, Nick. I just mentioned mine had arrived, as the thread needs reality & balance, & I have received mine. Sorry if it almost sounded like a chirp!

Our man has not been online today, so perhaps he is busy, or, otherwise detained. (Go on, someone can volley that in).

Still waiting too, not heard anything since he pm'd me last night saying it would be sorted this morning.

i think you're all mental. To think he won't at some point owe someone money more seriously than he cares about pissing you lot off is a hilarious.

If his gambling problems are as described, he's having your money no doubt.

You've pretty much created the the problem gamblers wet dream.

It would take a bout 5 mins to figure out how to get the money off betfair quickly and i'd love to hear your phone call to support 'Hi, i gave a problem gambler access to my account with 4k in it and he's gone and robbed us, can you help us out please?' 'err, can you say that again please?'

and yes i know you say you don't give a toss about the money you big bunch of berties.

Who grassed to the Internet police!??!

Thread has epic potential on so many levels

I see MarkandLuke are back online....maybe more news  :D

Oh no. The fun police!

Have you read the thread?

He's not going to have access to all the funds!

This has been stated on numerous occasions but you keep choosing to ignore it.

Maybe he will be able to scarper with a few hundred, but 4k? No chance.

You really are tilting me here Tom.

exhibit a

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=56870.300

4 prominent members of the stakers saying to give him the lot after i thought it was said that it would be policed in smaller amounts. if its the latter i'm in with bells on.

I *think* they are joking.

There won't be 4k in the account. 25% of the roll seems fair, so everyone *might* do £50 if Solaris goes bent.

if they were winding me up then fair play, hook, line etc. I'll be calling the police next....

Love to see this go tits up so we can all have an amazing laugh together about it

Cos. Nail. Head. Imo.

Matt please book a holiday to Florida and just post a picture of you playing a soft 5/10 cash game as the first update. Then never update again. That'd be BOB thread rotflmfao

:)

sorry chompy wants to put a nail in cos's head? thats a bit ott imho

he's not the only one!

itt: degens gonna degen

Can't see it being EV+ for anyone to 'invest' in this at all. If it's for supposed altruistic reasons or whatever, great (although as others have suggested, I'm not sure how altruistic this really all is, encouraging a probably-losing gambler to gamble more). From an EV+ perspective though, this is basically never good.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVh6_jEGP7I

Absolutely ROFL!!!!!

Child please!! Try it man. It work!!

Bumped for Solaris, (logged in today)  :)

Logged in again, still no news tho :(