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Deep 1/2 at DTD. I open to £7 utg with  Kc Kh playing £1600 and get 5 callers including Simon Deadman who is to my direct left and covers me. He is villain #1 in this hand and villain number #2 is a guy to Deadmans left playing £800ish at the start of hand (he is drunk but isn't doing anything too spewy at all)

The game is good at this point and Simon is winning the absolute LOT at this point and isn't going to be going bananas against me when he's winning so much and the game is so good. He hasn't stepped out of line all night vs me.

Flop comes  5c Qh Kd (pot £37) action is check to me and I bet £33. Im
betting big because I can get away with it in this game. Have the nuts and a stack of £1600 ofc, building the pot. Both villains call.
Turn is the  7c (pot £133) and I bet £109. Both villains just call again.
River is the  9h (pot £460)

River line?

check call

check call is defintiely worse option

bet/fold, c/fold, c/call imo

Checking might induce bluffs from hands like  Ac  Jc but I don't know what else would get bet on the river that isn't J10. I just don't think deadman value bets worse in this spot and I don't know of villain #2 would either.

bet fold vs Deadman with the game dynamics don't think it's all that close, the drunk guy isn't spewy enough to bluff and simon checks everything we beat and the top of his value (excl. JT) will prolly be bet/folding regardless

can't see any possible reason to check this. I might even be tempted to call vs the drunk guy but as you say he isn't spewy so I guess we should fold vs him too, just worried he won't jam a 2pair for value, or is he not that type?

Check calling would be the worst line as well I agree, in spots where you'd get bluff raised otr I think c/calling starts to show some merit, but I really really don't think this is going to be a spot you'll get bluffed.

I went with the bet/fold line. I bet £175 and then deadman next to act made it £360. As soon as I bet, it occurred to me that my sizing seemed pretty exploitable because I'd been betting on the larger side throughout the earlier streets but as soon as J10 gets there I go smaller so I was thinking deadman could easily use this spot to turn missed clubs and 1 pair into a bluff and do it for cheap since it just looks like I'm bet folding the river. Also getting a pretty good price in the river to make the call because he doesn't have to be bluffing that often to make it profitable but I came to the conclusion that is hard for him to be bluffing in that spot because with villain #2 to act behind who could easily have J10. Also because deadman probably is looking to bluff away profit too often so I just stuck with bet/folding but Neil "jakally" Giblin was in te game I said I should of called it off because of the price I was getting. What sizing should I go on the river?

just makes it such an easy bluff spot cos yr folding 100% of your range. doubt deadman has the stones to do it though. so nh wp.

lol. thought you two were getting on ok now?

is Deadman knish of your group?

Think I meant you should call the £200 into £1100 quickly, to avoid taking 10 minutes of my time doing a dwell, before folding  ;)

never listen to a man who gets hundreds of pounds all in pre flop with hands like Jd 8d and Kh 8s.

Pretty sure it turned out that I was ahead on both occasions....

but  2h 4h is fine tho ;)

wow bet much bigger OTR. minimum £250 imo. once you make it £175 and he raises to £360 and don't see any possible option but to call. thats £185 more right?

Defo call that, he could quite easily value raise worse over that B/sizing imo. agree it's rarely a bluff though and he'll prolly have JT.

I think I'd have gone for something like £285 or £325 OTR, no reason you can't have JT and I think it polarises your range a bit more which is usually means you get hero'd a bit more often in live poker. I think you were way too worried about JT otr and forgot about hands like AQ, KQ, K9, 55, AK, Q9cc which either of the two guys could have and we want to get value from, if someone has JT here then however we play it they are going to get 1bet's worth of value from us no we should be more focused on extracting max value from the hands we can beat imo

Oh didn't see it was single raised pre, thought pj couldn't have jt for some reason.

Even so, the old pj folds jt utg :P

sooooooted!!! oh deary me

Definitely betting 285 and folding to a raise.  Your bet sizing on river is very exploitable and agree Deadman might raise with worse as your hand can be AK and AA a bunch.  You never have J10 with your river sizing IMO, as played I think we have to call because Deadman can go thin with 2 pair and made a small enough raise to fold to Villain 2's shove. 

I think this is actually a check fold. So so likely that one of them has JT here (especially when you have two of the Kings), that you're just gonna get raised by JT more often than ur actually getting called by worse. You've gotta expect either to raise flop/turn a decent percentage with 2pr/set so there's not much else they can rele have