Title: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: SuuPRlim on February 27, 2012, 03:45:35 AM Hand from the $2k 6max here at LAPC, felt very spewy at the time but I'm growing to like the play.
I have a lot of chips and have been going a bit nutso for the most of the tournament, lots of pre-flop raising, rarely folding to 3bets, lots of flop c/r's and double barrels etc, but have also shown up with lots of hands as well so people have been pretty fearful of me. I open Aspades 4s UTG1 to 1,800 at 400/800. folds to the SB who is a russian women who calls playing 27,000~ , BB folds Flop (4,900) Jd 5s 2d She checks, I bet 2,400 she calls. This seems pretty stnd to me, I expected her to call as she rarely folds to Cbets, she'll call any pair and a lot of Ahighs here for sure. Turn (9,700) 8h She checks. I bet 6,600. she called. River (22,900) 9c She checks. I set her all in for 18,500. What do you all think of the triple and the bet sizing? Relative info - we were 17left with 10 paid, playing 5handed. I'd barreled her off hands a lot the day before, mostly by just betting lots, she likes to cling on but was really felt like she didn't want to bust the tournament. Title: Re: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: ChipRich on February 27, 2012, 04:05:17 AM Reckon i might give up river. 88 and 99 got there and i doubt a J folds. Also, she could hero with like TT after calling turn but then again maybe not given your description.
Betting this flop like 100%, what more could you have asked for? a str8 draw AND a backdoor flush draw, just wonderful stuff in the making. Prob barrel the turn a chunk too tho. sigh at no win tho met :( Title: Re: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: sm00035 on February 27, 2012, 09:03:17 AM I think I probably just shut down on the turn. On the flop there are a whole bunch of turns I am planning on barreling (any A-Q, any 3/4, any spade/diamond), but I think the way the board runs out it is going to be hard to get her off any hand.
The fact you have said that you have barreled her off a couple hands before as well, makes it more likely she has a 'made' hand as apposed to draw imo and I find in this spot a lot of the time she is going to be in 'cover her eyes and check/call mode'. I find that live people will only fold a couple of times before wanting visual proof that you have what it is you are repping. Title: Re: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: tikay on February 27, 2012, 09:44:02 AM How old was villain? Was she French? Title: Re: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: pleno1 on February 27, 2012, 10:24:26 AM check back flop, bet turn if she checks, as played, check turn.
if board was 842 then I prefer it, or J42 K, J42, Q, She is probably peeling far too wide form the blinds and has alot of j8/j9/j10s, jq,jk that she might just put the cape on with. Jamming river gets Axdd to fold I guess but so does 5000 Title: Re: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: outragous76 on February 27, 2012, 10:57:50 AM From description of situation I think im giving up on the river here
From a theory point of view Dave I really like the play if we are say 2 from the money. The problem in this hand is that (as ChipRich said) if she got to the turn with the range he specified, she probably will come to the sigh call decision. 2 from the money she might just fold. Title: Re: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: muckthenuts on February 27, 2012, 11:07:55 AM I'd be pretty inclined to say she probably has AJ. Flop and turn seem fine to me with your read but i would give up the river here. Don't think she's gonna fold any J to you on this runout and a set is within the realm of possibility given the dynamic between you two. We could even win the pot if we check back and she has KQdd!! Don't really see us folding out much, maybe if you had a tighter image it would be better.
Title: Re: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: George2Loose on February 27, 2012, 04:19:31 PM Deffo would be betting flop and a bunch of turns but probs give up. Turn isn't really a great barrel card and with Ur image as described probs best to double barrel/ empty the clip when u have it
Title: Re: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: SuuPRlim on February 27, 2012, 04:30:50 PM yh i think you're all right. Think I should have just given up on the turn or rivered a 3.
Title: Re: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: SuuPRlim on February 27, 2012, 04:32:28 PM actually is there no merit to bombing the turn given how wide I think she is calling my Cbets? then just giving up on the river when she calls and I dont hit my man, or is just waving the flag on the turn best?
I mean given how wide I think she'll call the flop, doesn't it seem I should be betting the turn almost 100% if i do chose to cbet the flop or should I just stick to turns that improve me? Title: Re: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: outragous76 on February 27, 2012, 04:36:42 PM When unsure I need a very good reason to stop betting
Title: Re: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: SuuPRlim on February 27, 2012, 04:39:32 PM Title: Re: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: George2Loose on February 27, 2012, 04:40:48 PM People don't fold anymore. Sure it was u who said those wise words lild
Title: Re: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: SuuPRlim on February 27, 2012, 04:59:01 PM People don't fold anymore. Sure it was u who said those wise words lild yep. yep, and yep. Got carried away cos of all the chips I had :( Title: Re: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: Rivertony on February 27, 2012, 05:52:29 PM I think you should be betting the turn like 95% of time given the player, the history and the stage of the tournament. However when she finds the call on turn then you can only set her in on certain river cards and a 9 isn't one IMO! Also how many chips do u have? (obv u cover her)
Title: Re: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: Bully87 on February 27, 2012, 07:41:57 PM Given the information on your image and that she'll call your cbets a high % of the time doesn't cbetting have little merit on this board? Apart from maintaining the betting lead.
As for the turn/river, once someone has called me twice I'm pretty inclined to give up the river, your only beating a busted FD but I can see your reasoning for bombing it. Dont really mind either way. bet bet giveup check bet/fold bet/fold Title: Re: This a bad triple barrel? Post by: DMorgan on February 28, 2012, 01:39:00 PM Def firing flop and turn, river is kinda gross.
I'd probably end up convincing myself that its live so nobody ever folds and sigh check back river. Tough to give her credit for some sort of double float, the turn folds out most of her better A high hands and she can legit station you with a lot of Jx, plus a lot of flush draw combos that she's just c/c with rather than c/r made an 8 or a 9. |