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Title: Jamming with pair and nut flush draw Post by: OESFD on February 28, 2012, 08:54:54 AM hi all,
playing 1/1 at aspers stratford...1 big whale at table is the main reason the remaining competent players are there (he's not in this hand) UTG raises to £6 2 callers me in BB - Ahrt 6h. have been folding these hands, but i think there's enough in the pot to justify a call.. flop comes Kh 6s 4h, UTG leads out for £18, 2 folds...i'm playing £150 total, think for a few seconds and then jam...my rationale being that calling £18 and then calling £30-£40 on the turn is bad and i'd just end up bleeding 30-50% of my stack chasing my outs. i'm putting him on AK, JJ, QQ something in that range. i think he has fold equity and he's a tight player so he wouldn't insta-call unless he had a set or 2 pair. Obviously this way i get paid the max if i do hit my hand what do ppeople think of this move here? i'm thinking i have 14 outs... Title: Re: Jamming with pair and nut flush draw Post by: MC on February 28, 2012, 08:58:06 AM 50p
Title: Re: Jamming with pair and nut flush draw Post by: muckthenuts on February 28, 2012, 01:49:59 PM I prefer to flat the flop. UTG seems pretty strong at this point and stack sizes are really awkward. Shoving is obviously a ridic overbet and clearly indicates you have a flush draw, and it's not like live players need much excuse to call off. If you were to raise i'd prefer 65/call or shove any turn if he calls, but i think his range is just so strong here and he's just hardly ever folding so i'm not so keen on the flip when he's probably always gonna go broke if we get there.
Title: Re: Jamming with pair and nut flush draw Post by: OESFD on February 28, 2012, 02:35:32 PM i should quit!
Title: Re: Jamming with pair and nut flush draw Post by: SuuPRlim on February 28, 2012, 04:09:16 PM agreed, flatting the flop is prolly slightly better vs the PFR as you'll mainly just isolate yourself vs better Aces, the main benefits to raising strong draws as semi-bluffs is that you get a lot of marginally better hands to fold but I can't see much better folding, plus you have a very strong bluff catcher in the form of you ACE so i'd be inclined to call him down, possibly folding the river to a triple if you don't make your flush but thats totally dependant on the circumstances.
Jamming does somewhat ruin the immediate strength of your hand. Title: Re: Jamming with pair and nut flush draw Post by: outragous76 on February 28, 2012, 04:15:53 PM i should quit! As an end result there is abslutely no problem with having all of your money in the middle on this flop, but jamming was not the best option Title: Re: Jamming with pair and nut flush draw Post by: OESFD on February 28, 2012, 06:57:19 PM fair enough...he had Aces, i put him on AK/QQ (thus less outs than the 14 i calculated).
yeah noted..maybe in a tourny, but not cash. Title: Re: Jamming with pair and nut flush draw Post by: Ironside on February 28, 2012, 07:20:46 PM fair enough...he had Aces, i put him on AK/QQ (thus less outs than the 14 i calculated). yeah noted..maybe in a tourny, but not cash. AA is better for you than AK here Title: Re: Jamming with pair and nut flush draw Post by: SuuPRlim on February 29, 2012, 05:59:07 AM I had two hands today that are so relevant to this thread, but I might use them for my next article, if not I'll post - bizzarre how during the hands I was thinking about this thread!
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