Title: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: aaron1867 on March 09, 2012, 11:23:11 PM I know there are lots of us that like a bit of both and some of us that are either genuine live players, or just play online.
But I can honestly say I have given up on online poker completely. I'm not going to go into the whole discussion about whether or not it's rigged or not. But like said I have totally given up, but it's so annoying that you see tournaments like the $6m one on Stars on Sunday, etc. But I just refuse to play them, because I just can't win and my live game is totally the same as my online game, but a profit of £9k live, is shown up by a loss of £4k on just one site and so on. It's most definitely hard to avoid putting your details on and have £100 on so and so, but I have definitely given up on it for the time being. It's not to mention heard loads of stories about players and their Visa bills, although I can confirm I only use my debit card. So what's everyone elses view and so on to online and whether you play it or not? Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: titaniumbean on March 09, 2012, 11:38:56 PM I know there are lots of us that like a bit of both and some of us that are either genuine live players, or just play online. But I can honestly say I have given up on online poker completely. I'm not going to go into the whole discussion about whether or not it's rigged or not. But like said I have totally given up, but it's so annoying that you see tournaments like the $6m one on Stars on Sunday, etc. But I just refuse to play them, because I just can't win and my live game is totally the same as my online game, but a profit of £9k live, is shown up by a loss of £4k on just one site and so on. It's most definitely hard to avoid putting your details on and have £100 on so and so, but I have definitely given up on it for the time being. It's not to mention heard loads of stories about players and their Visa bills, although I can confirm I only use my debit card. So what's everyone elses view and so on to online and whether you play it or not? that might be where you are going wrong? Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: Woodsey on March 10, 2012, 12:32:34 AM I've done full flip, I used to love playing live but can't be bothered as much these days. I'd much rather fire up half a dozen online tourneys.
Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: Rod on March 10, 2012, 08:48:05 AM First and foremost it depends on why you are playing poker. If you were a pro then I would have thought that you are putting yourself at a big disadvantage by not playing online due to game availability etc. If you are a recreational player then it should be down to what you enjoy.
You said it is tempting to stick £100 on a site and have a spin. Yes, this is true and there is nothing wrong with doing it but this is not going to be winning poker over the long term usually as bankroll management is even more important online due to the number of games you can play. Again if you are a recreational player this is less important but should be a consideration if you are trying to win money long term. Avoiding big Visa bills is not really that difficult just don't play with money you can't afford or don't actually have. The standard online is high compared to live, compare a 50/1 cash game live at say a G casino to a 50c/$1 on Pokerstars. The standard is not even similar even though the online game is lower stakes the level of play will be higher than the live game by a fair bit, you have to adjust to this. Live games are fairly easy to beat by playing ABC poker at this level, online is a lot more difficult and requires a little bit more than just pure ABC poker (I am not saying a huge amount more but a little bit). Don't forget the presence of tracking software makes a difference to the way the game plays as well as your opponents are likely to have info on you most average live opponents would not. The fact most games online play six-max compared to live games being FR should be remembered as well as these two games have differences. Tournaments are different of course but the standard of similar buyin tournaments remains the different, compare a £100 live tournament to say a $150 online - the online one is harder be +EV in. So what I am saying is if you enjoy playing online, play online if you don't then don't. If you decide you do want to play online be prepared to play lower stakes than you play live if you want to be a winner and don't have unrealistic expectations. I would rather play online than live as I find it much easier to concentrate on the game and play the game. When I am playing live I am usually worried about what is going on at the bar or what somebody else is doing. The fact live poker is generally boring but being at a venue sat at in the bar is generally a lot of fun does not do a lot for my live game either. My live results are far better than my online results but I would still rather be playing online. Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: GreekStein on March 10, 2012, 08:59:45 AM I know there are lots of us that like a bit of both and some of us that are either genuine live players, or just play online. But I can honestly say I have given up on online poker completely. I'm not going to go into the whole discussion about whether or not it's rigged or not. But like said I have totally given up, but it's so annoying that you see tournaments like the $6m one on Stars on Sunday, etc. But I just refuse to play them, because I just can't win and my live game is totally the same as my online game, but a profit of £9k live, is shown up by a loss of £4k on just one site and so on. It's most definitely hard to avoid putting your details on and have £100 on so and so, but I have definitely given up on it for the time being. It's not to mention heard loads of stories about players and their Visa bills, although I can confirm I only use my debit card. So what's everyone elses view and so on to online and whether you play it or not? You could be a loser live, you probably haven't played enough hands to determine that yet I'm guessing. What work do you do to improve your play? Also, live is much softer in general, you just have to balance that off against no rakeback, travelling there and back (any other costs), sharing tables with people you'd rather not etc and playing 17 hands a night. Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: the rage on March 10, 2012, 12:04:07 PM I would echo Geeksteins comments.
I'm a recreational tourney player and for me the great thing about online is that it's such a good learning tool. Ie-you get plenty of hands in, you have software available to record your hands and replay them, so i just treat the online games as a little practice session that i can dip in and out of at my convenience. As far as losing too much money etc, i really think that if you are playing online primarily to earn money, you need to get some serious advice about bankroll management. Also, i would suggest you look at the mental side of your poker game. If you are going into an online comp with the attitude that you 'just can't win', then you may be beaten before you start. Jared Tendlers book 'The Mental Game Of Poker' has a lot of info that you may find helpful. Maybe you could check out his website for a bit more info. Poker is meant to be an enjoyable game, so, whether it's live or online, if you are not getting any enjoyment from it, taking a break until your appetite returns is probably no bad thing. Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: George2Loose on March 10, 2012, 12:05:17 PM Online is around a million times tougher
Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: action man on March 10, 2012, 12:06:00 PM aaron ill take 10%
Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: Junior Senior on March 10, 2012, 12:07:17 PM Online is shit if your account is fitted with a doom switch. Too many emails falling out with support and they fuck you up for life!
Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: action man on March 10, 2012, 12:09:24 PM anyone who doesnt know if online is 'rigged' or not can't possibly be a winning poker player.
Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: smashedagain on March 10, 2012, 02:00:50 PM aaron ill take 10% He has gotta get 300 posts but according to sources he is trying hard to get there before the ukipt at dtdTitle: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: cambridgealex on March 10, 2012, 02:08:44 PM anyone who doesnt know if online is 'rigged' or not can't possibly be a winning poker player. this. i know it's not rigged, but also don't like playing online. Necessary though to iron out the variance of the live pokers. Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: SuuPRlim on March 10, 2012, 02:23:26 PM i'm pretty sure live poker is rigged
Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: smashedagain on March 10, 2012, 02:36:45 PM i'm pretty sure live poker is rigged but when you lose it's hard to prove and when you win you have all the evidence you need :)Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: Rod on March 10, 2012, 02:42:23 PM i'm pretty sure live poker is rigged Yeah, live is not sure about online. Originally I didn't think online was rigged but I have been on a good run recently so I suppose it must be how am I in profit for the year otherwise :-)Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: mondatoo on March 10, 2012, 03:00:25 PM MTT's are definitely rigged, SNGS are safe.
Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: paulhouk03 on March 10, 2012, 03:01:51 PM I live near casino brag
Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: cambridgealex on March 10, 2012, 03:04:57 PM So everyone agrees, everything we win at, it's all skill, everything we lose at it's all rigged right?
Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: mondatoo on March 10, 2012, 03:21:26 PM So everyone agrees, everything we win at, it's all skill, everything we lose at it's all rigged right? Obv. Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: PizzicatoXev on March 10, 2012, 05:22:47 PM So everyone agrees, everything we win at, it's all skill, everything we lose at it's all rigged right? Seems reasonable to me Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: aaron1867 on March 10, 2012, 05:46:56 PM aaron ill take 10% He has gotta get 300 posts but according to sources he is trying hard to get there before the ukipt at dtdYour sources are wrong Jason, how many times are you wrong on a daily basis Jason? You obviously don't know anything about me and my BR, so if I was you, I'd stop with trolling. Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: GreekStein on March 10, 2012, 05:49:16 PM aaron ill take 10% He has gotta get 300 posts but according to sources he is trying hard to get there before the ukipt at dtdYour sources are wrong Jason, how many times are you wrong on a daily basis Jason? You obviously don't know anything about me and my BR, so if I was you, I'd stop with trolling. Jason's sources were wrong but I was chatting with another blonde on skype and we did seem to think that you and one other person were posting a lot in order to put up a staking post very soon. Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: smashedagain on March 10, 2012, 05:51:35 PM I just don't like you. Simple.
Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: aaron1867 on March 10, 2012, 05:53:32 PM I just don't like you. Simple. Ah, so you make up lies, then? Why don't you be an adult and not post any daft comments in reply to me? I don't to you. Once again, proved wrong. Apology? Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: smashedagain on March 10, 2012, 05:53:49 PM So everyone agrees, everything we win at, it's all skill, everything we lose at it's all rigged right? A study at Oxford proved it so, but you are never gonna trust them are you :)Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: aaron1867 on March 10, 2012, 06:06:07 PM aaron ill take 10% He has gotta get 300 posts but according to sources he is trying hard to get there before the ukipt at dtdYour sources are wrong Jason, how many times are you wrong on a daily basis Jason? You obviously don't know anything about me and my BR, so if I was you, I'd stop with trolling. Jason's sources were wrong but I was chatting with another blonde on skype and we did seem to think that you and one other person were posting a lot in order to put up a staking post very soon. I can honestly say I don't know why you get this assumption. I'm sure you can explain though... Only joined this forum as it seems a wealth of information & is fantastic for updates. Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: smashedagain on March 10, 2012, 06:23:56 PM Your first post that i saw was having a go at Simon and you seem to get a kick out of winding up the likes of Pete, Ken, Barry et al.
You probably know reasons why you never got staked on another forum and it ain't got nothing to do with people playing the LVTC . Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: aaron1867 on March 10, 2012, 06:35:18 PM Your first post that i saw was having a go at Simon and you seem to get a kick out of winding up the likes of Pete, Ken, Barry et al. You probably know reasons why you never got staked on another forum and it ain't got nothing to do with people playing the LVTC . I suggest to stop clutching at straws, Jason, because you have no idea what you are talking about. It seems obvious you have sopmething against me for no reason at all and it seems you have no clue to anything. I have healthy banter with Barry Neville and Ken, whilst Ken is a good friend of mine. As for Peter, load of rubbish, what I said in thread, proved me right and you wrong. As for the LVTC, you are wrong AGAIN. It had everything to do with that, because lots of interested parties was in Brum that weekend and didn't see the last minute request. And plus, I am not fussed by not getting stake anyway, I can afford to pay out for events like this anyway, but stake is good too. I really do suggest, keeping your comments and opinions to yourself, because every single time you have wrong. I also feel as if all this crap isn't fair on me, because it's clear you have some sort of issue and just suggest to leave me alone. #veryborednow Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: cambridgealex on March 10, 2012, 06:46:25 PM GUESS WHO'S BACK. BACK AGAIN. HERBIES BACK.
Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: TopTen on March 10, 2012, 06:53:51 PM I prefer to play live.
;nanana; Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: smashedagain on March 10, 2012, 07:46:46 PM Your first post that i saw was having a go at Simon and you seem to get a kick out of winding up the likes of Pete, Ken, Barry et al. You probably know reasons why you never got staked on another forum and it ain't got nothing to do with people playing the LVTC . I suggest to stop clutching at straws, Jason, because you have no idea what you are talking about. It seems obvious you have sopmething against me for no reason at all and it seems you have no clue to anything. I have healthy banter with Barry Neville and Ken, whilst Ken is a good friend of mine. As for Peter, load of rubbish, what I said in thread, proved me right and you wrong. As for the LVTC, you are wrong AGAIN. It had everything to do with that, because lots of interested parties was in Brum that weekend and didn't see the last minute request. And plus, I am not fussed by not getting stake anyway, I can afford to pay out for events like this anyway, but stake is good too. I really do suggest, keeping your comments and opinions to yourself, because every single time you have wrong. I also feel as if all this crap isn't fair on me, because it's clear you have some sort of issue and just suggest to leave me alone. #veryborednow Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: dreenie on March 13, 2012, 05:40:36 AM Your first post that i saw was having a go at Simon and you seem to get a kick out of winding up the likes of Pete, Ken, Barry et al. You probably know reasons why you never got staked on another forum and it ain't got nothing to do with people playing the LVTC . I suggest to stop clutching at straws, Jason, because you have no idea what you are talking about. It seems obvious you have sopmething against me for no reason at all and it seems you have no clue to anything. I have healthy banter with Barry Neville and Ken, whilst Ken is a good friend of mine. As for Peter, load of rubbish, what I said in thread, proved me right and you wrong. As for the LVTC, you are wrong AGAIN. It had everything to do with that, because lots of interested parties was in Brum that weekend and didn't see the last minute request. And plus, I am not fussed by not getting stake anyway, I can afford to pay out for events like this anyway, but stake is good too. I really do suggest, keeping your comments and opinions to yourself, because every single time you have wrong. I also feel as if all this crap isn't fair on me, because it's clear you have some sort of issue and just suggest to leave me alone. #veryborednow HERBINATOR!!!!!!!!!!!! Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: AndrewT on March 13, 2012, 11:26:04 AM Easy there Herbie - don't fall off the wagon.
Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: smashedagain on March 13, 2012, 11:57:07 AM Easy there Herbie - don't fall off the wagon. Sorry everyone. Bad week for me and let myself slip again. :(Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: smashedagain on March 13, 2012, 11:58:54 AM And in the interests of balance Aaron did get 4/4 from his footy tips last weekend. Might be worth keeping an eye out for his next tips
Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: CHIPPYMAN on March 13, 2012, 05:17:20 PM aaron ill take 10% He has gotta get 300 posts but according to sources he is trying hard to get there before the ukipt at dtdYour sources are wrong Jason, how many times are you wrong on a daily basis Jason? You obviously don't know anything about me and my BR, so if I was you, I'd stop with trolling. If Herbie HATE someone , he HATE someone and he will say it out str from his freaking gob!!! That's Herbie . Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: smashedagain on March 13, 2012, 05:27:54 PM aaron ill take 10% He has gotta get 300 posts but according to sources he is trying hard to get there before the ukipt at dtdYour sources are wrong Jason, how many times are you wrong on a daily basis Jason? You obviously don't know anything about me and my BR, so if I was you, I'd stop with trolling. If Herbie HATE someone , he HATE someone and he will say it out str from his freaking gob!!! That's Herbie . Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: SuuPRlim on March 14, 2012, 07:15:23 AM man i've missed this kid.
Title: Re: The "I don't like playing online" thread. Post by: SuuPRlim on March 14, 2012, 07:17:44 AM I am not fussed by not getting stake anyway, I can afford to pay out for events like this anyway, but stake is good too. interesting this comes after our very well recieved "staking and mark-ups thread" Why would you sell action for a tournament you had the BR for? |