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Title: 1010 Final table 4 handed. Post by: c4ught on March 12, 2012, 01:02:17 AM Final table €1.2k up top and €500 for 4th.
SB playing 19/18 3bet 8% over 157 hands. I doubled him up with the below hand. Quote Poker Stars, $18 Buy-in (3,500/7,000 blinds, 875 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 5 Players Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12134032 MP: 135,907 (19.4 bb) Hero (CO): 519,228 (74.2 bb) BTN: 163,242 (23.3 bb) SB: 58,319 (8.3 bb) BB: 173,304 (24.8 bb) Preflop: Hero is CO with 5h 5c MP calls 7,000, Hero calls 7,000, BTN folds, SB completes, BB raises to 172,429 and is all-in, MP folds, Hero calls 165,429, SB folds Flop: (363,233) Aspades 8s 6c (2 players, 1 is all-in) Turn: (363,233) 4s (2 players, 1 is all-in) River: (363,233) Qs (2 players, 1 is all-in) Results: 363,233 pot Final Board: Aspades 8s 6c 4s Qs Hero showed 5h 5c and lost (-173,304 net) BB showed Qd Ahrt and won 363,233 (189,929 net) Poker Stars, $18 Buy-in (4,000/8,000 blinds, 1,000 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12134102 BB: 202,314 (25.3 bb) Hero (CO): 394,549 (49.3 bb) BTN: 150,617 (18.8 bb) SB: 302,520 (37.8 bb) Preflop: Hero is CO with Ts Th Hero raises to 16,000, BTN folds, SB raises to 48,000, BB folds, Hero ???? Title: Re: 1010 Final table 4 handed. Post by: WotRTheChances on March 12, 2012, 01:12:37 AM Don't call the shove with 55.
Make it 94k and call it off here. Not sure how the 16k-48k is seen here, is this his standard sizing? It's pretty big, but is there any history of him 3-bet/folding using the same sizing? Seems strong, but 4-handed vs 19/18 i'm 4-bet calling here unless I havent seen his 3x 3-bet sizing before, or if the guy was a massive nit... could then possibly fold (sure am folding in-game though). Title: Re: 1010 Final table 4 handed. Post by: c4ught on March 12, 2012, 09:45:34 AM He hadnt put up any resistance vs me so far. I went for the worst line i possibly could and 4bf ;grr;
Title: Re: 1010 Final table 4 handed. Post by: pleno1 on March 12, 2012, 12:19:51 PM yeh unfortunately both are really bad. Were not even getting a good price with the 55 and keeping our healtgt stack is important. Basically vs his range were in really, really bad shape.
Generally i wouldnt be folding 10s so late and shallow but a 3x 3bet does lookretty strong. If they arent putting up resistance you can win it back and more in next few hands via uncontested pots. Title: Re: 1010 Final table 4 handed. Post by: LeeMcshane on March 12, 2012, 06:42:26 PM The limp call with 5s is a terrible play. If you gonna call a over jam why not raise it pre then fold to a jam? would be the more logical root.
The 10s it would depend how much he has been playing back at me and others while 4 handed, I would not just go by his 3bet % as this can be mis leading as im guessing these stats are from the FT that you have given. Now 4 handed he could of been 3betting alot more lighter and as you put he never showed any resisitence to yourself so maybe he was just playing you... Myself i would be jamming the 10s depending on the stats i have in front of me.. With the details you have posted i would be jamming his arse!! The 3x bet online is not always a strong play and good solid players online won't go that big in there 3bet sizing with hands like Qs up as they want to extract value and get a 4bet light back into them. this bet looks more like 8s or 9s to me. If had some more stats from HEM could let you know what the numbers are saying to do regarding his range Would be interesting to of seen which hand he did have though... Title: Re: 1010 Final table 4 handed. Post by: WotRTheChances on March 12, 2012, 07:39:38 PM The limp call with 5s is a terrible play. If you gonna call a over jam why not raise it pre then fold to a jam? would be the more logical root. The 10s it would depend how much he has been playing back at me and others while 4 handed, I would not just go by his 3bet % as this can be mis leading as im guessing these stats are from the FT that you have given. Now 4 handed he could of been 3betting alot more lighter and as you put he never showed any resisitence to yourself so maybe he was just playing you... Myself i would be jamming the 10s depending on the stats i have in front of me.. With the details you have posted i would be jamming his arse!! The 3x bet online is not always a strong play and good solid players online won't go that big in there 3bet sizing with hands like Qs up as they want to extract value and get a 4bet light back into them. this bet looks more like 8s or 9s to me. If had some more stats from HEM could let you know what the numbers are saying to do regarding his range Would be interesting to of seen which hand he did have though... Definately not 4-bet jamming here. 4bet call or fold. Definately standard would be to 4bet/call. Title: Re: 1010 Final table 4 handed. Post by: newcs248 on March 12, 2012, 10:56:11 PM Go all in the first time around hand 1. Fold to the shove.
Jam hand 2, pretty sure 4b/c isn't the best with these stacks. Title: Re: 1010 Final table 4 handed. Post by: George2Loose on March 12, 2012, 11:00:22 PM It's TT btw
Title: Re: 1010 Final table 4 handed. Post by: LeeMcshane on March 13, 2012, 09:29:06 AM The limp call with 5s is a terrible play. If you gonna call a over jam why not raise it pre then fold to a jam? would be the more logical root. The 10s it would depend how much he has been playing back at me and others while 4 handed, I would not just go by his 3bet % as this can be mis leading as im guessing these stats are from the FT that you have given. Now 4 handed he could of been 3betting alot more lighter and as you put he never showed any resisitence to yourself so maybe he was just playing you... Myself i would be jamming the 10s depending on the stats i have in front of me.. With the details you have posted i would be jamming his arse!! The 3x bet online is not always a strong play and good solid players online won't go that big in there 3bet sizing with hands like Qs up as they want to extract value and get a 4bet light back into them. this bet looks more like 8s or 9s to me. If had some more stats from HEM could let you know what the numbers are saying to do regarding his range Would be interesting to of seen which hand he did have though... Definately not 4-bet jamming here. 4bet call or fold. Definately standard would be to 4bet/call. So 4bet what do you do if he jams you? If you call what are you doing once the flop comes say 224?? Folding to a strong cbet? Or do you donk lead the flop of 224 if it comes like this? Then what do you do if he re-pops your donk lead? So basically all options are leading to a Fold on the flop if you call. Unless you hit a set and your not priced pre to set mine. This is why calling is not a option for myself. You have to think a street ahead and what your options would be if this happened or these cards happened, ts always better to have a plan of action before.. why i would prefer 4bet jam or fold. Plus ppl 3bet light in these spots especially even more online then live. Calling will just get you in a world of hurt even more and a tougher decision on each street if he apply's pressure. You only have 2 options thats raise or fold pre.... Title: Re: 1010 Final table 4 handed. Post by: c4ught on March 13, 2012, 10:35:43 AM The limp call with 5s is a terrible play. If you gonna call a over jam why not raise it pre then fold to a jam? would be the more logical root. I limped because MP had been playing tight and I expected SB to shove a large majority of the time. Then if MP calls I can fold/jam or call SB shove. Obv it didnt go down like that and I still decided to call. The limp call with 5s is a terrible play. If you gonna call a over jam why not raise it pre then fold to a jam? would be the more logical root. The 10s it would depend how much he has been playing back at me and others while 4 handed, I would not just go by his 3bet % as this can be mis leading as im guessing these stats are from the FT that you have given. Now 4 handed he could of been 3betting alot more lighter and as you put he never showed any resisitence to yourself so maybe he was just playing you... Myself i would be jamming the 10s depending on the stats i have in front of me.. With the details you have posted i would be jamming his arse!! The 3x bet online is not always a strong play and good solid players online won't go that big in there 3bet sizing with hands like Qs up as they want to extract value and get a 4bet light back into them. this bet looks more like 8s or 9s to me. If had some more stats from HEM could let you know what the numbers are saying to do regarding his range Would be interesting to of seen which hand he did have though... Definately not 4-bet jamming here. 4bet call or fold. Definately standard would be to 4bet/call. So 4bet what do you do if he jams you? If you call what are you doing once the flop comes say 224?? Folding to a strong cbet? Or do you donk lead the flop of 224 if it comes like this? Then what do you do if he re-pops your donk lead? So basically all options are leading to a Fold on the flop if you call. Unless you hit a set and your not priced pre to set mine. This is why calling is not a option for myself. You have to think a street ahead and what your options would be if this happened or these cards happened, ts always better to have a plan of action before.. why i would prefer 4bet jam or fold. Plus ppl 3bet light in these spots especially even more online then live. Calling will just get you in a world of hurt even more and a tougher decision on each street if he apply's pressure. You only have 2 options thats raise or fold pre.... Not sure if your reading it right. He doesnt mean 4bet or call he means 4bet then call the guys jam. 4bet is much better than jamming because villain can 5bet a bigger range than he will call our jam thinking he has some fold equity. Title: Re: 1010 Final table 4 handed. Post by: WotRTheChances on March 14, 2012, 07:03:34 PM It's close, calling is not an option. 4-bet/folding is not an option. Generally i'm not folding, but there are merits to jamming over 4-bet/calling. Hands he can 5-bet jam include hands like KJ, JQ, AJ, KQ, which we would prefer he just folded given ICM considerations etc. Still think I 4-bet/call rather than jam, but it's close.
The limp call with 5s is a terrible play. If you gonna call a over jam why not raise it pre then fold to a jam? would be the more logical root. The 10s it would depend how much he has been playing back at me and others while 4 handed, I would not just go by his 3bet % as this can be mis leading as im guessing these stats are from the FT that you have given. Now 4 handed he could of been 3betting alot more lighter and as you put he never showed any resisitence to yourself so maybe he was just playing you... Myself i would be jamming the 10s depending on the stats i have in front of me.. With the details you have posted i would be jamming his arse!! The 3x bet online is not always a strong play and good solid players online won't go that big in there 3bet sizing with hands like Qs up as they want to extract value and get a 4bet light back into them. this bet looks more like 8s or 9s to me. If had some more stats from HEM could let you know what the numbers are saying to do regarding his range Would be interesting to of seen which hand he did have though... Definately not 4-bet jamming here. 4bet call or fold. Definately standard would be to 4bet/call. So 4bet what do you do if he jams you? If you call what are you doing once the flop comes say 224?? Folding to a strong cbet? Or do you donk lead the flop of 224 if it comes like this? Then what do you do if he re-pops your donk lead? So basically all options are leading to a Fold on the flop if you call. Unless you hit a set and your not priced pre to set mine. This is why calling is not a option for myself. You have to think a street ahead and what your options would be if this happened or these cards happened, ts always better to have a plan of action before.. why i would prefer 4bet jam or fold. Plus ppl 3bet light in these spots especially even more online then live. Calling will just get you in a world of hurt even more and a tougher decision on each street if he apply's pressure. You only have 2 options thats raise or fold pre.... Obviously I didn't mean 4-bet or call, i mean 4-bet to call |