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Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10

Seat 1: iplayvbad ( $369.10 )
Seat 2: OPECUNITED ( $174.85 )
Seat 3: Pokerboy442 ( $210.20 )
Seat 5: expore ( $72.25 )
Seat 6: snoopy1239 ( $260.85 )
Seat 7: Viking36 ( $122.70 )
Seat 8: AcesUpAndIn ( $415.45 )
Seat 9: NEXTEL_MAN1 ( $183.22 )
Seat 10: geoffwwww ( $143.98 )
Seat 4: Egokiller1 ( $230.25 )

Pokerboy442 posts small blind [$1].
Egokiller1 posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to snoopy1239 [  Ks Kc ]

expore folds.
snoopy1239 raises [$9].

Viking36 folds.
AcesUpAndIn folds.
NEXTEL_MAN1 folds.
geoffwwww folds.
iplayvbad folds.
OPECUNITED folds.
Pokerboy442 raises [$19].
Egokiller1 folds.
snoopy1239 calls [$11].

** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, 3d, 3s ]

Pokerboy442 bets [$40].
snoopy1239 is all-In.
Pokerboy442 is all-In.

** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5s ]

Pokerboy442 shows [  Ahrt, Ac ] two pairs, aces and threes.
snoopy1239 shows [ Ks, Kc ] two pairs, kings and threes.

snoopy1239 wins $50.65 from  side pot #1  with two pairs, kings and threes.
Pokerboy442 wins $419.40 from  the main pot  with two pairs, aces and threes.

Re-re-raise him before the flop.  Might give you a clue, still don't see how you could fold.

C'est la vie. IMO.

Completely unavoidable

No one gets away from this  and if they do then they arn't playing properly.

The same thing happened to me yesterday. :(

Not a chance that you can get away from this.

Heads up preflop and he reraises with Aces, he is lucky that you had a big hand.

I always raise with aces, but never reraise against a single opponent as I want you to pay me for them (ok you got them all in here anyway, but not the point). I would consider his play to be more like QQ and think that I am good here.

will the person who voted avoidable please make themselves known   

My paw is raised.

How?

I can only think it involves raising again preflop?

If this is the case do you lose more from losing action from weakerhands that may pay you off post flop if you call than you do the times you run into aces?  :dontask:

:ironside:

i have voted avoidable as i have actually laid down pocket kings preflop during a live tournament (and not a satellite).

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=4152.15

The majority of the time i would agree it is unavoidable, especially playing online where you may not know your opponents too well and how they play but if you have a good read on your opponent then it is possible.

Had exactly the same situation the other night - me KK him AA, lost :(

Glad most think it's unavoidable, i felt bad for a bit !

It's unavoidable in almost the same sense that when your AA gets beaten by KK, you have to shrug and move on.

I saw in one of the tournament of champions and Chip Reece called a raise by Phil Helmuth's AA with KK and almost convinced himself to lay it down on, I think, either the turn or the river, but just couldn't do it.

Respect to you or anyone if you can laydown Kings, I can't.

I'd say it's only avoidable online with HUGE stacks and tiny blinds. (Which never really happens in cash)

Other than that C'est La Vie.

just an hour ago i was deep in an online multi and had the same coup against the chip daddy. - he raises, i re-raise all-in, he calls. - c'est la f***ing vie.  difficult to get away from especially when the chip average has only 10 BB's!  In a cash game its different but still largely unavoidable (you could have re-popped him preflop then if he goes all-in you can fold).

I knew he had the aces,  I had a feeling in my gut, but I just couldn't stop myself from moving all-in.

My heart said fold, whilst my brain said, 'He could have queens or jacks.'

i know that feeling  :D

Is that the same comp you busted me in?!?!?

When you got 'lucky' with AK to crack my AQ, lol

yes!, you fish! - wtf was that with AQ!! - you should know by now i don't bluff!

I went up to 16K shortly after disposing of you and then lost with my KK vs A-J, which he played like AA preflop, that left me on 3k (4BB's) i then worked my way back up to 15K and had the AA vs KK coup. - OUT! 14th

The AQ was a bit tragic, i was getting 2-1 and fancied u could be JJ-TT and fancied 2-1 was enough to call. I couldnt raise fold again my image was shot to shit. Factor in i would have to post BB and SB next 2 hands. If i folded i would be on 4k about to post 1/4 of my stack!

Gamboooooool

There is not much room for play in those comps unless you have lots of chips.

agreed!

It is only avoidable it he is the rockiest of rocks and you have that read on him. Then you can pop him back pre flop and then fold to the all in which is still an amazing lay down but if you think he only does that with aces, then you lay it down. Im voting unavoidable cos you haven't made that read and its impossible to tell once he hasn't re raised pre flop.

Hi snoopy,

I think I'd have to go with avoidable in this particular situation. I guess the reads / image will make the difference here though.

Unless you or he appear to have been playing aggressive recently then I think we can presume that :

You open raise UTG+1 (or in very early position), thereby stating - I have a big hand and it's so big I don't mind playing it out of position in a raised pot.

Everyone folds to your opponent who raises your obvious big hand, suggesting one of :

a) He's got a pair and doesn't believe you're on a big pair.
b) He's got a big pair too and wants to know if you've got him beat or not
c) He thinks you're full of it and is making a move on you
d) He's got aces and wants to build a pot
e) He's got an AK type hand (I wouldn't raise, but then he's not me)

If you raise him back here then he's likely to fold or call with A, depending on the size of the raise - and frankly either is good for you. Hard to say what he'll do with JJ on up, I suspect that pushing is unlikely with worse than KK. He'll fold if he's making a move, probably call you with AK and (hopefully) push it all-in with AA.

This isn't always going to work, of course, but if you re-raise here your hand looks ultra-premium - it's not AK anymore - it's at least QQ - if he can see that and then push it all-in - I think I pass here - it's just so likely to bullets as he has to believe that he'll be getting called by a premium pair.

Of course if he just flat-calls the re-raise, you're probably going to do it all on the flop - but that's unavoidable.

Just my opinion - YMMV.

Obviously this is all based on my limited experience playing 1/2NL levels.. It's not like I'm Bill Fillmaff or anything.