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This was a hand from the early stages of last nights Ladbrokes Daddy tourney, stacks not much different from starting level 3k

UTG makes it 150 (5bbs), I have QQ and flat call in middle position.  BB also calls (hmmm didn't expect that to happen..)

UTG an experienced player and although a scandi, I hadn't noticed him as being particularly maniacal.

flop 424 UTG bets 500, I make 1000.  BB folds, UTG goes all-in

What do you do?

 

Call.

5xBB raise and a bet of 500 into a pot of 465 screams TT or JJ to me.

Remember your flat-call does not represent a big pair here, so he might well put you on a steal with AK/AQ or even 77 or 88, you're only behind to AA and KK. I don't like a flat call in middle position with QQ, I'd have raised it up to 450 then you can ascertain from his reaction what to do next. If you were on the button or had AA or KK, then I'd be more likely to mix the re-raises with occasional flat calls which can often be a nice idea if you know the table is tight and you suspect your opponent has 99, TT or JJ, because then a low flop will more than likely cost them a lot of chips and they then can't read you for the big pair. QQ is too weak for this I think, especially in mid position and 3 or 4 players to act. What do you do if a A or K drops and he leads out or if someone behind you re-raises with AK and then the UTG goes all in?

5xBB raise and a bet of 500 into a pot of 465 screams TT or JJ to me. 

Not sure how you can be that certain although it is a possibility.

Remember your flat-call does not represent a big pair here,

My call of a larger than standard raise from an UTG means a hand - whether that point was lost on my opponent....

so he might well put you on a steal with AK/AQ or even 77 or 88, you're only behind to AA and KK. I don't like a flat call in middle position with QQ, I'd have raised it up to 450 then you can ascertain from his reaction what to do next. 

Thats the way I would play AA KK QQ to a larger than standard raise (NB early in a tourney) - if it gives me problems like this, I'd rather work out how to play them than get into high variance scenarios


QQ is too weak for this I think, especially in mid position and 3 or 4 players to act. What do you do if a A or K drops and he leads out or if someone behind you re-raises with AK and then the UTG goes all in?

I fold without hesitation.

I'm calling this in my sleep. If I lose, I lose... but I won't fold Queens here. This is way I wouldn't flatcall the raise, if I re-raise I'm more likely to know where i stand.

i think you call here or otherwise what is the point of playing the hand if you wont play ot with no overs on board

I'm not disrespecting any opinions, but I was hoping for a bit more debate.  In the middle stages of the tourney this is a no-brainer call, but we are at the second level, I have 60bbs to play with if I fold and the flop is freakishly low, meaning that an underpair is a possibility, but also an overpair doesn't fear that they are running into a flopped set. 

I timed out before I could make a decision - don't know what I would have done live or with stars clock to play with.

Was it a rainbow flop?

Pretty sure it was.

you have to call i think

if you put him on KK or AA you shouldnt have called pre-flop

I think that is wrong - the implied odds if you hit the Q surely means you should call.

bet = 150
stacks = 3k - plenty of implied odds.

Also it's very tough to put him on AA or KK preflop as his raise could be made with a wide range of hands. The action on the flop gives you a lot more information about his hand.

However I don't know what the correct move would be.