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Title: hmm Post by: pleno1 on April 01, 2012, 08:31:52 PM stars.fr, giy is opening big alot in co/btn, my 1st 3bet vs him. thoughts?
Table '2012031001 894' 9-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: asia wok (11628 in chips) Seat 2: HiLemmings (10855 in chips) Seat 3: selai7 (9519 in chips) Seat 4: vianney54 (5011 in chips) Seat 5: coyottemk (8960 in chips) Seat 6: zatoachi (6481 in chips) Seat 7: boulman14 (27174 in chips) Seat 8: yolvernar14 (12024 in chips) Seat 9: pleno1 (24925 in chips) asia wok: posts the ante 20 HiLemmings: posts the ante 20 selai7: posts the ante 20 vianney54: posts the ante 20 coyottemk: posts the ante 20 zatoachi: posts the ante 20 boulman14: posts the ante 20 yolvernar14: posts the ante 20 pleno1: posts the ante 20 HiLemmings: posts small blind 75 selai7: posts big blind 150 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to pleno1 [Qh As] vianney54: folds coyottemk: folds zatoachi: folds boulman14: folds yolvernar14: raises 375 to 525 pleno1: raises 675 to 1200 asia wok: folds HiLemmings: folds selai7: folds yolvernar14: calls 675 *** FLOP *** [Tc 3c Ad] yolvernar14: bets 1963 pleno1: calls 1963 *** TURN *** [Tc 3c Ad] [Jh] yolvernar14: checks pleno1: checks *** RIVER *** [Tc 3c Ad Jh] [5c] yolvernar14: checks pleno1: bets 1350 Title: Re: hmm Post by: outragous76 on April 01, 2012, 08:39:28 PM Like it all (athough I might check back river as detailed below)
His open is an old school "pot bet" (pre ante), so Im gonna say he is 40+ and terrible/old school - or just french ;) When he leads flop he has an A (or abs air and wants to rep it) ck ck turn fine (but if your gonna bet river bet turn IMO) When he checks river, given its a "scare" card (term used loosely), I think he is going to do this with ALL his Aces, incl 2 pr hands (AT AJ) and therefore you only beat <A9 (which is starting too look thin to v bet given A3 & A5 also beat you) Title: Re: hmm Post by: skolsuper on April 01, 2012, 10:09:47 PM flat pre, this is not a good hand to make ur 1st 3bet with
Title: Re: hmm Post by: DMorgan on April 01, 2012, 10:14:58 PM I bet turn and bet river when checked to also vs an unknown. As played I agree that the bet should be smallish but not that small. I'd bet 3295.
@James what is it about AQ that you say makes it a bad hand to make a first 3b with? If he's been opening a lot he'll expect us to play back eventually so it seems like a good spot to rep lighter than we are? Or reverse implied because we're 80bbs deep? Title: Re: hmm Post by: tikay on April 02, 2012, 07:26:59 AM Like it all (athough I might check back river as detailed below) His open is an old school "pot bet" (pre ante), so Im gonna say he is 40+ and terrible/old school - or just french ;) When he leads flop he has an A (or abs air and wants to rep it) ck ck turn fine (but if your gonna bet river bet turn IMO) When he checks river, given its a "scare" card (term used loosely), I think he is going to do this with ALL his Aces, incl 2 pr hands (AT AJ) and therefore you only beat <A9 (which is starting too look thin to v bet given A3 & A5 also beat you) You forgot to add "is a moron & idiot, who panic buys petrol"....... Title: Re: hmm Post by: outragous76 on April 02, 2012, 10:28:10 AM Like it all (athough I might check back river as detailed below) His open is an old school "pot bet" (pre ante), so Im gonna say he is 40+ and terrible/old school - or just french ;) When he leads flop he has an A (or abs air and wants to rep it) ck ck turn fine (but if your gonna bet river bet turn IMO) When he checks river, given its a "scare" card (term used loosely), I think he is going to do this with ALL his Aces, incl 2 pr hands (AT AJ) and therefore you only beat <A9 (which is starting too look thin to v bet given A3 & A5 also beat you) You forgot to add "is a moron & idiot, who panic buys petrol"....... tbf - i know you are being funny, but there is def nothing wrong with labeling people in poker, even by sterotype unti proven otherwise. And besides, it was quite clearly (in part) a set up to my French gag given this was on stars.fr that said im happy with my assupmtion given his raise size - afterall, old folk dont like change! and he has probs been doing it for years since his old PLHE days at the aviation! ;) Title: Re: hmm Post by: SuuPRlim on April 02, 2012, 01:14:54 PM You forgot to add "is a moron & idiot, who panic buys petrol"....... :D that's why he just potted in pre-flop was in too much of a panic over the petrol situation to make a more fashionable betsize Title: Re: hmm Post by: pleno1 on April 02, 2012, 08:38:38 PM flat pre, this is not a good hand to make ur 1st 3bet with why do you think this mate? dont you think he 4bets ak and flsts broadways, some suited aces etc ? Title: Re: hmm Post by: sm00035 on April 03, 2012, 01:01:18 PM Assume he has been opening to 525 every open?
Title: Re: hmm Post by: action man on April 03, 2012, 02:49:00 PM like it all id bet a little bigger on river though
Title: Re: hmm Post by: pleno1 on April 03, 2012, 05:56:57 PM Assume he has been opening to 525 every open? in this level yer.. Title: Re: hmm Post by: Honeybadger on April 03, 2012, 07:37:59 PM Can you explain your reasons for taking a check back turn, bet river line? It seems yuckedy yuck to me, so would be interested to hear what your reasoning was.
Title: Re: hmm Post by: pleno1 on April 03, 2012, 07:51:50 PM i felt with his line taken he didnt have many Ax and was just c/f the turn, basically thought he didnt have anything and perhaps had like jq or something which granted could call a bet, i just thought was a weird line in hand and was happy to evaluate otr and also if ge does have complete air that he was going to c/f turn he could perhaps bet river again. If he has 10x i would expect him to fold, but i guess that alot of tenx as straight draws too.
Otr when he checked i tried to target the weak part of hi srange and eveb perhaps induce from total air. I really didnt put him on ax otherwise i would have opted for a larger bet, but he turned over a9o ftl so i guess giving his hand i played it bad and didnt read his range correctly at all. Title: Re: hmm Post by: outragous76 on April 03, 2012, 07:57:39 PM i felt with his line taken he didnt have many Ax and was just c/f the turn, basically thought he didnt have anything and perhaps had like jq or something which granted could call a bet, i just thought was a weird line in hand and was happy to evaluate otr and also if ge does have complete air that he was going to c/f turn he could perhaps bet river again. If he has 10x i would expect him to fold, but i guess that alot of tenx as straight draws too. Otr when he checked i tried to target the weak part of hi srange and eveb perhaps induce from total air. I really didnt put him on ax otherwise i would have opted for a larger bet, but he turned over a9o ftl so i guess giving his hand i played it bad and didnt read his range correctly at all. :) Title: Re: hmm Post by: pleno1 on April 03, 2012, 09:45:23 PM whats the :) for, you flirting with me?!
Title: Re: hmm Post by: SuuPRlim on April 03, 2012, 11:30:10 PM boys! behave....
Title: Re: hmm Post by: AlexMartin on April 04, 2012, 04:39:25 AM would much rather bet turn than bet river (which i think is def too thin)
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