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£40 freezeout tonight at DTD and enter at blinds 50/100.

Dealt to Hero  Ac Qc UTG and raise to 275
MP Raises to 1275 pretty quickly and stares me down.

Folds round to me. The starting stacks are now 15k and we both have around the same chips. Limited info on the opponent, only that the bet screams i dont really want to see a flop with my middle pair/ possible AK etc... don't really think he's the type to overbet big hands.

Do we find the fourbet? flat?

probably just fold...

Save them chips

folding is fine, Aks is interesting.

Fold. You aren't being exploited at any point, nobody 3bets light. Going to be crushed so often and we don't need to get involved in these marginal spots this early in the comp when our edge is theoretically suppose to be bigger then the rest of the field. Wait for level 4 then go bananas

foldings

it's derby lad mett.


fyp

So we went against our own beliefs and flatted....

FLOP:
 Aspades 7c Qs

OH HI DER.....

What is our line now we're playing out of position?

Pot: 2850

I went for the magic number of 1875? thoughts

You didn't check to the guy who 3bet you?

he's more likely to check back middle pairs, the only hand we can see him betting that we beat is AK if hes scared of the two spades, he's hardly ever 3 betting that big with AA, QQ.... maybe 77. Leading out i don't miss a bet, and get 3 streets if he's got AK.

He has either AA, QQ or J10s - just a guess mind...

Fold pre is the obv choice but I would have though that now we've found ourselves here, checking the flop to the 3-better would be wiser... but then again this is live poker, he could have anything and barrel off 3 rounds with 72o

Do we know this person, I've seen many people make very big bets with AA,KK,QQ and justify it with such crap as "I'm sick of getting my hands cracked" plus it's easier to just pull off a big 1000 chip for the raise and say raise a thousand and chuck the chip in the middle.

donk bets are for donkeys.

...usually

eeyore sigh...

Okay, in reflection i'm only getting value here from AK as my arguments pretty flawed about his value hand ranges.
He's likely to fold middle pairs, if he was going to check them anyway and im giving him the option to barrel with air.....
as well as if he does have me crushed im hanging myself.

check raising or betting the turn if it gets clicked back seemed to be the way to go.

in a 40 pound comp, early on, most players at my local luton casino arn't capable of 3 betting middle pairs, they flat behind to set mine.

I would ALWAYS check that flop.

Reason being is that to open and flat out of position, YOUR hand looks like a mid pair.

Giving him some credit he would always cbet that board because to a third person not seeing any cards.... your hand looks like mid pair, his hand looks like broadway cards.

Having said that i wouldv folded pre. Thats a large amount of your stack early on to play a marginal range (facing 3bet) out of posiiton.

I dont like the donk bet on the flop.

Thinking he wouldnt play a middle pair like that, anything else he 3 bets with has connected. AK, AQ, AJ(??). The only hands youre getting value from on that flop, that you beat, are AK and KK. Its perfectly possible for him to have AA and QQ.

Bare in mind most players are aware of the strength opening utg has. He knows you have a hand and he still 3bet massively. Hes not doing this because he doesnt want to see a flop. Hes doing this because you show strength opening utg and he thinks you cant pass. (thus thinking hes winning!)

then again i may be completely wrong  ;spam;

I wouldn't give the average 40 comp player the credit of being able to notice that somebody has opened UTG and adjusted his bet size accordingly. I think they are more likely thinking along the lines of "Me have KK, me bet"

WP GG

The only credit i gave the player is he was left from the ukipt just playing the £40 comp, so thought he may at least be more then a level 1-2 thinker. He folded the flop btw.

What are you trying to get called/raised by? One hand in AK, maybe a few more A rags (villain dependent) and obviously better hands.

Never donk betting in this spot.

I kinda like the donk in this spot actually. He big 3bets and gives it the staring down behaviour then snap mucks in position to one bet? Villain has no heart. Prob this guy got knocked out of ukipt and just sat there thinking fml I give up. Perhaps you shaking a bit. Should be easy to get staring types spazzing the flop and paying full compensation for flopping the nuts after bad call. Perhaps smaller 1,200 donk into staring individual imo. Sorry if wrong btw.

Now you know the donk is bad

you spelt horrendous wrong**

::)

Yo, you said hero's hand looked like a mid pair and villain's hand looked like broadway cards. A hand that looks like a mid pair donking into a hand that looks like broadway cards on a broadway flop seems like a decent way to get action from a big raise starey man imo.

i just quoted myself how prententious is that haha

fold pre.

if we peel and hit that magical flop c/r.

or lead for somethin ridiculously weak like under 800.. he will raise.. u love your life and play it however u want from there

donking so small turns your hand so face up. Why would you do it from villains seat?

its 2 pair minimum. unless he has a set hes probably just going to call triggers massive alarm bells.

Betting so small is 99% of the time a way to get to cheap showdown.

not many people will fall for that line anymore. Its a bit james bond