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Last night at Nottingham due to an elimination the player on my right posted the sole Big Blind.

He was eliminated and so the next hand I posted the sole BB and two players arrived and sat in the two seats to my right.

My understanding is that those two new players must sit out for the next two hands until I have the button.

Okay, so I got my way for the first hand and the two players sat out.

Now it is my small blind and another player arrives and sits directly to my right.

He wants to be dealt in "on the button"

As I see it a player may not act last unless he has posted both blinds, so I think that all three of them have to sit out for one more hand until I have the button.

But the ruling was that a new player may come in "on the button".

I'm sure that this is incorrect procedure although I didn't make too much of a fuss about it.

Any TD's or supervisors care to comment ?

It's not the usual procedure but some places do deal the new players in.

I used to have them sit out till the button had passed when I was running tourneys.

Being on the button is seen as an advantage so you can't move onto it, well that's what i thought.
In walsall yesterday the TD wouldn't let the dealer swap places with the button for that reason (he had to move to another seat because he had just been on the button), does that make sense?

In my tournaments you cannot move into the button or small blind.

herein lies the trouble when there is no set of definative rules. One casino's interpretations will be different to another, just as with online sites. On pokerstars there has to be a small and big blind on every hand of a tournament so if a player is eliminated from the blinds and the button skips a seat sometimes a player is fortunate enough to miss the big blind and just pay a small blind for that round. (always a bonus during the later stages and final tables!!)

Until someone finally sits down and says "right this is how its going to be done" and everyone agrees to it then you will always have differing opinions. Always best to ask questions like this to the card room manager before the tournament begins if you're playing in a casino for the first time.

They cannot be small blind, but they can sit in the dealer button if that is the only space on the table, but no cards until the button has passed ;)

there you go - if in doubt get a professional tournament directors opinion....... ;tightend;

so what was the answer to the question about the fouled deck again??

Correct, you cannot be dealt in if you move to the small blind or button.

So all three of those players should have been dealt out for that last hand then.

Yes, thats how i would do it, but I am sure there are TD's out there with different rules. If the House rule is you can come in on the button , then so be it.

How pissed would u be if u had the 33? Hit your 1 out and its no good!

and then be told the last hand that you won was void and they are going to restart?

In this position, as the sole big blind had been eliminated, the button can remain where it is and the two new players can post the small blind and big blind immediately.


If this happens, thats okay also. The button passes over them. It would have been easier to just deal them in, as nobody is posting more than they should and you still have the same net effect of the button remaining in place for an extra hand.


I see no problem with this person recieving a hand. The only time a player may not recieve a hand is when it causes a player to his left to have to post a blind twice twice. Eg, when a player arrives between the small blind and the button.


No, theres no problem with this player recieving a hand.

I do disagree with this as people get multiple buttons, ie being the last to speak more than once, and it is regarded as being a big advantage. But if thats what rules you go by then fair enough, but this would not happen in the WSOP for example.

Agree dik9. Whats the difference between the person to the left of the new player keeping the button twice and gaining an advantage, or the player just joining the competition getting the advantage? Its ridiculous. There is more advantage in the first guy having the button twice than in the new person getting it. The only time a person should not get a hand is when it causes a disadvantage to another player by having to post a big blind twice.

The blinds have been at a disadvantage and are ineffect waiting for the button, to get their advantage back. Someone joining the table (on the button), not only has the advantage of the button going all round the table before he has to post, but an additional advantage of being the last to speak without posting any blind. I see where you are coming from, it's just TD's opinions on who gets what advantage where and trying to minimise it. that decides what rules you go by. My personal opinion is that the positional advantage is too great to come in on the button.

Thats the luck of the draw when a table is broken up or a player moved. You are placed into the seat which gives you the least advantage. Its less of an advantage than the same person keeping the button twice. The lesser of the two evils would be to give the new player the button, at least the advantage is moving in clockwork rotation as it should be (or, as is correct, skipping directly over the new player, but in this case that was not possible), whereas if it stays where it is, the other player gets an advantage twice.

This is just a house rule and different places have different rules, just putting my point across without trying to rile anyone. Matt is quite correct a uniformity of rules is definately required.

Article 10

3/ Moving into a seat with the dealer button or the blind. A player who moves into a seat which is due to post the big blind must receive a hand immediately in the big blind. A player who moves into a seat which is due to post the small blind must wait until the button has passed him. A player who moves into a seat which is due to have the button shall wait until the button has passed, before recieving cards.



 It is possible if they miss being dealt in.

Karabiner, what have you started!!!!

Sadly, despite all the affirmitave & authoratiive Posts, there is NO right & wrong, until, as Matt rightly says, we have uniformity of Rules.

If you REALLY wanna have a debate about the advantage one can or can not gain by "position" when you move tables, you should have watched the fun at Gala Notts, where, until recently, they moved the lowest chips when balancing tables - & if that was not bad enough, they also allowed those moving tables to sit WHERE THEY WANT on their assigned tables. The latter was especially fun when a table broke, &, say, Big Dave Smith & old Taffy were both assigned the same table. The hustling & bustling & jostlng, as they played the musical chairs scenario "who can grab the best seat first" was a feature of the Comps there, and many was the drink knocked over & chairs upended as this scenario was enacted time after time. But fair play to them, they've since corrected this anamoly which, even in a world where all Casino have their own rules, was something of a jaw-dropper.

It was a testament to Rob that he was, meticulously, working his way through all these anamolies.

matt u owe me a brandy :)       new deck lol

They still do move the lowest chips Tikay, that's why all three players jumped in between the button and the BB.

so long as its not vodka and red bull - i'd need to win the next blonde bash to afford that bill!!!! ;)

...and thery can sit ANYWHERE THEY WANT on their assigned table?..........

Well that's what they seemed to be doing last night.